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If the public votes to let creationism be taught, it should be taught. This is America. They should hire better teachers to teach it though, since it isn't fair if a teacher has bias to one theory or another. Existing teachers should be able to pass new tests on creationism to make sure they understand the whole truth. Science has evidence for creationism too. Parents know what science is better than their kids do, so what theories get taught should be based on democracy... at least in America. I know that if I got to decide what theories I was taught when I was a kid, I would have had no idea where to even start. I never would have learned any of the good theories, like gravity. That's why kids aren't allowed to vote.

OpticalIllusions, EvC Forum 71 Comments [6/19/2012 5:45:43 AM]
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Doubting Thomas

Except for, you know, that pesky thing called the Constitution. Oh and science is not a democracy.

6/19/2012 5:48:29 AM

breakerslion

"Evidence." You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.

Stork theory of procreation! Teach the controversy!

6/19/2012 5:56:28 AM

Mister Spak

"If the public votes to let creationism be taught, it should be taught. This is America."

What if the public votes to teach Islam? Pastafarianism? Real science? Should it be taught? This is America you know.

"Science has evidence for creationism too."

Science has the same amount of evidence for Hogwarts magic. Can you guess what that amount is?

6/19/2012 5:58:12 AM

Mad_Jester

Doubting Thomas beat me to the "science is not a democracy" punch, but it bears special attention. Reality isn't decided by consensus. It wouldn't matter if the entire populations of North and South America up and declared that there were two moons orbiting Earth- there'd still only be one in the sky that night.

The fact that most teachers only teach the theory of evolution doesn't indicate a bias toward anything but truth and scientific method.

6/19/2012 6:05:44 AM

farpadokly

The thing is, that we can't decide objective reality, which is what science deals with, by a show of hands. If we all voted that the sky was mostly green instead of blue, that wouldn't make it green. That which has been established as true by empirical evidence is not subject to a vote; it's prior, it's information that can be fed into the democratic decision-making process.
You can, however, democratically decide to teach science, or pseudo-science and mythology. If you decide to teach pseudo-science, you will retard your science, industry and prosperity, and your ability to compete with the rest of the Western world, who will regard you as an irrational, backward, intellectual and scientific backwater.

6/19/2012 6:08:45 AM



I'm tired of these so-called "Engineers" designing our computers with their godless computer science. Let's put micro-chip design up to a vote - Imagine, our computers will be as efficient as the US political system!

6/19/2012 6:12:22 AM

Woody

"Existing teachers should be able to pass new tests on creationism to make sure they understand the whole truth. Science has evidence for creationism too"

Sure, no problem. Just show us the real evidence proving it to be truth and you should be able to teach it. Whilst we are waiting for your evidence, you won't mind if we continue to teach our kids things for which there is current evidence for?

"Parents know what science is better than their kids do"

And scientists know better what science is than some parents, it would seem.

6/19/2012 6:14:59 AM

Alfador

> Parents know what science is better than their kids do

This has not been true for me since I was about four or so.

6/19/2012 6:27:07 AM

fishtank

And I'm sick of all your misinformed lies regarding science, "truth" and evidence.

6/19/2012 6:27:22 AM

Horsefeathers

"If the public votes to let creationism be taught, it should be taught."

That's not quite how it works.

"They should hire better teachers to teach it though, since it isn't fair if a teacher has bias to one theory or another."

Creationism/ID is not a "theory" in any conceivable way, except to those who don't actually know what a theory is to begin with.

"Existing teachers should be able to pass new tests on creationism to make sure they understand the whole truth."

Answering "Goddidit!" to everything shouldn't be much of a challenge.

"Science has evidence for creationism too."

Science has absolutely nothing to do with creationism.

"Parents know what science is better than their kids do, so what theories get taught should be based on democracy... at least in America."

Which theories get taught is based on which ones are accurate, you moron. It's not up for debate, vote, or general consensus.

"I know that if I got to decide what theories I was taught when I was a kid, I would have had no idea where to even start. I never would have learned any of the good theories, like gravity."

I'd love to hear your description of the Theory of Gravity. Please do so using your own words and not something out of a textbook. Be prepared for questions afterwards.

6/19/2012 6:28:58 AM

dionysus

If that's the case we should be teaching kids about alien invasions, ghosts, and psychics too because a majority of people believe in those. And why stop there? If everyone starts believing that 2+2 is 6 we should teach that regardless of what mathematicians say.

6/19/2012 6:34:50 AM

Brendan Rizzo

And if most Americans were to want the belief that the Earth is flat taught in schools, would you support that too? (Fortunately my countrymen aren't that stupid, but if Fox News were ever to support Flat-Earthism...)

Science is not a democracy. A belief is either true or it is not. For some reason only Americans fail to understand this.

6/19/2012 6:34:54 AM

Reynardine

And if everybody votes to abolish gravity, then life on Earth will be destroyed by a decompression wind. I know.

6/19/2012 6:41:54 AM

D Laurier

Reality is not optional.

6/19/2012 6:58:18 AM

Paler_Face

If the public votes to let creationism be taught, it should be taught. This is America.

America, where the truth is determined by popular vote, just like the bible.

Existing teachers should be able to pass new tests on creationism to make sure they understand the whole truth.

tests where the answer to every question is "Goddidit".

Science has evidence for creationism too.

Yes, we keep hearing that the evidence exists. SHOW US, DAMN YOU!

Parents know what science is better than their kids do, so what theories get taught should be based on democracy

Instead on scientific consensus.

6/19/2012 7:00:45 AM

Oh My Dog!

This is a prime example why the U.S. should raise educational standards for public schools.

I am getting tired of my country being known as the dingbat nation of the West.

6/19/2012 7:01:36 AM

J. James

Yes, it makes complete sense to vote on what the truth is. /sarcasm

6/19/2012 7:03:35 AM

Pilotess

Funny, here I am thinking that the curriculum should be based on fact ... if the majority agrees that 2+2=5, should this be taught as well?

6/19/2012 7:15:20 AM

Thinking Allowed

I was taught when I was a kid, I would have had no idea where to even start. I never would have learned any of the good theories, like gravity.


6/19/2012 7:34:34 AM

Stonespiral

We should teach *facts* not popular opinion. There is a difference.

6/19/2012 7:41:32 AM

John_in_Oz

You make a good case for requiring an education test before you qualify to vote.

6/19/2012 7:51:14 AM

RiJayden

For anyone who believes that gravity is 'just a theory'......
...I invite you to step out of a tenth story window.

6/19/2012 8:03:08 AM

JSS

Yes, and if the public votes to promote the idea that Jews are evil, it should be taught as truth.

Argumentum ad populum is a wonderful thing isn't it?

6/19/2012 8:16:01 AM

Ripper

I hate how science teachers are sooooo bias towards science. I also hate how history teachers are bias towards history.

I look forward to a future when facts are based on popular vote.

6/19/2012 8:24:35 AM

Ebon

And yet, facts are not dependent on the whim of the mob.

6/19/2012 8:31:39 AM
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