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[On why he bans almost all atheists after a single post on his forum.]

I have to leave at least one atheist on unbanned. People are not banned for putting forth their best effort, but they are banned, as they ought to be, for being belligerent and obstinate in their pride. This explains what happened to those before you who failed. Though you certainly have your pride like Satan that keeps you separated from Jesus and hellbound, some mercy is helpful here towards you.

Troy, Biblocality 316 Comments [12/28/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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A Help for David B.

[size=10]All of David B.'s charts are wrong including his latest one, and he can't find anything in what I said that would cause him to draw his charts. His fuzzy math is wrong which the bare naked eye can see. The original chart remains the correct one:



Replace "global conscience" with child sacrifices per capita with the lower number higher up on the chart. If you prefer, you can place the horizontal axis on the top side of the chart so that the vertical axis points downward. This causes the curve to point downward exponentially (and, also never goes negative) with the lower number lower down on the chart which produces the same effect of an exponential decrease in child sacrifices.

Notice how he draws his chart(s) wrong every time even after it was already explained to him his error. That's called belligerncy or obstinacy and shutting his own mind down.

None of his charts fit. He uses them to misrepresent. Child sacrifices can't go negative and do not abruptly hit zero, so charts C (which is also the latest chart) & D are useless. With time along the horizontal axis, A & C (the latest chart) show a creation, which does not help his beliefs.

With time continuing on the horizontal axis, his charts B & D fail because they indicate an ever increasing speed into the past to a slower rate to the present. That would not be an exponential increase in conscience of getting better faster. I am glad that by the grace of God as we move forward there is an exponential improvement in conscience, not decreasing improvement.

Hence, there is only one chart that works. The one I gave originally. It is good advice for David B. to accept the truth, for the truth shall set him free.

This is God's design. Embrace it and receive Jesus as your uncreated Creator, Lord and Savior! For the consequences of rejecting God's grace of eternal forgiveness is hellfire and eternal separation from God and His sons and daughters.

For those who don't understand why some try to fight the exponential increase in conscience, it is because it shows there is a Creator who created. The exponential progression in conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, because you would not still be sinning by now having been derived from the past. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created. This proves the Creator exists and He is uncreated. Know that He is God of the Bible: the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, for none can compare to Christ.[/size]


10/8/2007 6:56:01 PM

A Friend

[size=10]All of David B.'s charts are wrong including his latest one, and he can't find anything in what I said that would cause him to draw his charts. His fuzzy math is wrong which the bare naked eye can see. The original chart remains the correct one:



Replace "global conscience" with child sacrifices per capita with the lower number higher up on the chart. If you prefer, you can place the horizontal axis on the top side of the chart so that the vertical axis points downward. This causes the curve to point downward exponentially (and, also never goes negative) with the lower number lower down on the chart which produces the same effect of an exponential decrease in child sacrifices.

Notice how he draws his chart(s) wrong every time even after it was already explained to him his error. That's called belligerncy or obstinacy and shutting his own mind down.

None of his charts fit. He uses them to misrepresent. Child sacrifices can't go negative and do not abruptly hit zero, so charts C (which is also the latest chart) & D are useless. With time along the horizontal axis, A & C (the latest chart) show a creation, which does not help his beliefs.

With time continuing on the horizontal axis, his charts B & D fail because they indicate an ever increasing speed into the past to a slower rate to the present. That would not be an exponential increase in conscience of getting better faster. I am glad that by the grace of God as we move forward there is an exponential improvement in conscience, not decreasing improvement.

Hence, there is only one chart that works. The one I gave originally. It is good advice for David B. to accept the truth, for the truth shall set him free.

This is God's design. Embrace it and receive Jesus as your uncreated Creator, Lord and Savior! For the consequences of rejecting God's grace of eternal forgiveness is a never ending punishment in hellfire (you reap what you sow) in an eternal separation from God and His own sons and daughters.

For those who don't understand why some try to fight the exponential increase in conscience, it is because it shows there is a Creator who created. The exponential progression in conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, because you would not still be sinning by now having been derived from the past. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created. This proves the Creator exists and He is uncreated. Know that He is God of the Bible: the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, for none can compare to Christ.[/size]


10/8/2007 7:04:29 PM

A Friend

[size=10]All of David B.'s charts are wrong including his latest one, and he can't find anything in what I said that would cause him to draw his charts. His fuzzy math is wrong which the bare naked eye can see. The original chart remains the correct one:



Replace "global conscience" with child sacrifices per capita with the lower number higher up on the chart. If you prefer, you can place the horizontal axis on the top side of the chart so that the vertical axis points downward. This causes the curve to point downward exponentially (and, also never goes negative) with the lower number lower down on the chart which produces the same effect of an exponential decrease in child sacrifices.

Notice how he draws his chart(s) wrong every time even after it was already explained to him his error. That's called belligerncy or obstinacy and shutting his own mind down.

None of his charts fit. He uses them to misrepresent. Child sacrifices can't go negative and do not abruptly hit zero, so charts C (which is also the latest chart) & D are useless. With time along the horizontal axis, A & C (the latest chart) show a creation, which does not help his beliefs.

With time continuing on the horizontal axis, his charts B & D fail because they indicate an ever increasing speed into the past to a slower rate to the present. That would not be an exponential increase in conscience of getting better faster. I am glad that by the grace of God as we move forward there is an exponential improvement in conscience, not decreasing improvement.

Hence, there is only one chart that works. The one I gave originally. It is good advice for David B. to accept the truth, for the truth shall set him free.

This is God's design. Embrace it and receive Jesus as your uncreated Creator, Lord and Savior! For the consequences of rejecting God's grace of eternal forgiveness is a never ending punishment of hellfire (you reap what you sow) in an eternal separation from God and His own sons and daughters.

For those who don't understand why some try to fight the exponential increase in conscience, it is because it shows there is a Creator who created. The exponential progression in conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, because you would not still be sinning by now having been derived from the past. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created. This proves the Creator exists and He is uncreated. Know that He is God of the Bible: the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, for none can compare to Christ.[/size]


Can you see how hard the unsaved soul tries to rationalize his existence apart from God?

10/8/2007 7:10:48 PM

A Help for David B.

[size=10]All of David B.'s charts are wrong including his latest one, and he can't find anything in what I said that would cause him to draw his charts. His fuzzy math is wrong which the bare naked eye can see. The original chart remains the correct one:



Replace "global conscience" with child sacrifices per capita with the lower number higher up on the chart. If you prefer, you can place the horizontal axis on the top side of the chart so that the vertical axis points downward. This causes the curve to point downward exponentially (and, also never goes negative) with the lower number lower down on the chart which produces the same effect of an exponential decrease in child sacrifices.

Notice how he draws his chart(s) wrong every time even after it was already explained to him his error. That's called belligerncy or obstinacy and shutting his own mind down.

None of his charts fit. He uses them to misrepresent. Child sacrifices can't go negative and do not abruptly hit zero, so charts C (which is also the latest chart) & D are useless. With time along the horizontal axis, A & C (the latest chart) show a creation, which does not help his beliefs.

With time continuing on the horizontal axis, his charts B & D fail because they indicate an ever increasing speed into the past to a slower rate to the present. That would not be an exponential increase in conscience of getting better faster. I am glad that by the grace of God as we move forward there is an exponential improvement in conscience, not decreasing improvement.

Hence, there is only one chart that works. The one I gave originally. It is good advice for David B. to accept the truth, for the truth shall set him free.

This is God's design. Embrace it and receive Jesus as your uncreated Creator, Lord and Savior! For the consequences of rejecting God's grace of eternal forgiveness is a never ending punishment of hellfire (you reap what you sow) in an eternal separation from God and His own sons and daughters.

For those who don't understand why some try to fight the exponential increase in conscience, it is because it shows there is a Creator who created. The exponential progression in conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, because you would not still be sinning by now having been derived from the past. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created. This proves the Creator exists and He is uncreated. Know that He is God of the Bible: the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, for none can compare to Christ.

Can you see how hard the unsaved soul tries to rationalize his existence apart from God? He'll have no excuses at Great White Throne.[/size]


10/8/2007 7:12:13 PM

A Friend

[size=10]All of David B.'s charts are wrong including his latest one, and he can't find anything in what I said that would cause him to draw his charts. His fuzzy math is wrong which the bare naked eye can see. The original chart remains the correct one:



Replace "global conscience" with child sacrifices per capita with the lower number higher up on the chart. If you prefer, you can place the horizontal axis on the top side of the chart so that the vertical axis points downward. This causes the curve to point downward exponentially (and, also never goes negative) with the lower number lower down on the chart which produces the same effect of an exponential decrease in child sacrifices.

Notice how he draws his chart(s) wrong every time even after it was already explained to him his error. That's called belligerncy or obstinacy and shutting his own mind down.

None of his charts fit. He uses them to misrepresent. Child sacrifices can't go negative and do not abruptly hit zero, so charts C (which is also the latest chart) & D are useless. With time along the horizontal axis, A & C (the latest chart) show a creation, which does not help his beliefs.

With time continuing on the horizontal axis, his charts B & D fail because they indicate an ever increasing speed into the past to a slower rate to the present. That would not be an exponential increase in conscience of getting better faster. I am glad that by the grace of God as we move forward there is an exponential improvement in conscience, not decreasing improvement.

Hence, there is only one chart that works. The one I gave originally. It is good advice for David B. to accept the truth, for the truth shall set him free.

This is God's design. Embrace it and receive Jesus as your uncreated Creator, Lord and Savior! For the consequences of rejecting God's grace of eternal forgiveness is a never ending punishment of hellfire (you reap what you sow) in an eternal separation from God and His own sons and daughters.

For those who don't understand why some try to fight the exponential increase in conscience, it is because it shows there is a Creator who created. The exponential progression in conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, because you would not still be sinning by now having been derived from the past. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created. This proves the Creator exists and He is uncreated. Know that He is God of the Bible: the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, for none can compare to Christ.

Can you see how hard the unsaved soul tries to rationalize his existence apart from God? He'll have no excuses at Great White Throne.

How you respond to Jesus today determines how you will live out in eternity.[/size]


10/8/2007 7:14:28 PM

David B.

In my last post I wrote:

"AF doesn’t draw the curve because he can’t. If he tried he would have to post a curve that is (a) not exponential, (b) does not get steeper or (c) does not show a decline."

Note that the graph 'A Friend' pretends proves child sacrifices does as he claims is (a) exponential, (b) gets steeper, and...

Oops, it fails on (c), it does not show a decline. Exactly as I said, he cannot draw a graph doing all three that will not go negative.

It's worth remembering here that AF said that the exponential (and steepening) decline child sacrifices through history were proof of the exponential growth in human conscience. But the only way he can demonstrate this claimed decline is by posting the graph of human conscience he claimed the decline was proof of!

Clearly AF has no proof that child sacrifices declined as he claimed. He merely took his unproven growth of human conscience graph and invented the trend in child sacrifices he thought would be consistent with it.

10/9/2007 4:44:15 AM

David B.

[size=14]Why ‘A Friend’ doesn’t draw the graph of declining child sacrifices himself.[/size]

Because he can’t.

Remember, AF has said that only an exponential decline in child sacrifices can be result in their near non-existence today. What’s more he has stated that the decline has got steeper with time until it is now a near vertical slope.

The problem is that there is no exponential curve that shows a steepening decline that does not also go negative, a result AF had already declared invalid.

First let’s deal with what we know, that child sacrifices (X) are declining, and that the decline has been getting steeper:



We also know that AF has insisted that the decline is exponential:



Combining (1) and (2), we arrive at two inequalities, one for the value:



And one for the slope:



From (3c) and (4c) it is clear that both inequalities are true if, and only if, M < 0 and A > 0.

Now we come to AF’s little problem.



If A > 0 then the exponential bit gets bigger all the time, and starts heading off towards infinity at an ever faster pace. But remember, the only exponential that does what AF says is one where M < 0, so whatever value of C you chose (other than C = oo) X ends up at negative infinity.

Hence there is no curve that shows a steepening exponential decline in child sacrifices that does not go negative. AF doesn’t draw the curve because he can’t. If he tried he would have to post a curve that is (a) not exponential, (b) does not get steeper or (c) does not show a decline.

10/9/2007 4:44:38 AM

David B.

Of course you don’t actually need a lot of maths to see that ‘A Friend’ has made a mistake.

Remember he said that today child sacrifices are virtually non-existent and the curve is virtually straight up and down.

So child sacrifices are nearly at zero and just about heading ‘due south’?



A negative value, AF’s self-raised flagstaff of impossibility, is inevitable.

10/9/2007 4:44:53 AM

A Help for David B.

[size=10]All of David B.'s charts are wrong including his latest one, and he can't find anything in what I said that would cause him to draw his charts. His fuzzy math is wrong which the bare naked eye can see. The original chart remains the correct one:



Replace "global conscience" with child sacrifices per capita with the lower number higher up on the chart. If you prefer, you can place the horizontal axis on the top side of the chart so that the vertical axis points downward. This causes the curve to point downward exponentially (and, also never goes negative) with the lower number lower down on the chart which produces the same effect of an exponential decrease in child sacrifices.

Notice how he draws his chart(s) wrong every time even after it was already explained to him his error. That's called belligerncy or obstinacy and shutting his own mind down.

None of his charts fit. He uses them to misrepresent. Child sacrifices can't go negative and do not abruptly hit zero, so charts C (which is also the latest chart) & D are useless. With time along the horizontal axis, A & C (the latest chart) show a creation, which does not help his beliefs.

With time continuing on the horizontal axis, his charts B & D fail because they indicate an ever increasing speed into the past to a slower rate to the present. That would not be an exponential increase in conscience of getting better faster. I am glad that by the grace of God as we move forward there is an exponential improvement in conscience, not decreasing improvement.

Hence, there is only one chart that works. The one I gave originally. It is good advice for David B. to accept the truth, for the truth shall set him free.

This is God's design. Embrace it and receive Jesus as your uncreated Creator, Lord and Savior! For the consequences of rejecting God's grace of eternal forgiveness is a never ending punishment of hellfire (you reap what you sow) in an eternal separation from God and His own sons and daughters.

For those who don't understand why some try to fight the exponential increase in conscience, it is because it shows there is a Creator who created. The exponential progression in conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, because you would not still be sinning by now having been derived from the past. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created. This proves the Creator exists and He is uncreated. Know that He is God of the Bible: the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, for none can compare to Christ.

Can you see how hard the unsaved soul tries to rationalize his existence apart from God? He'll have no excuses at Great White Throne.

How you respond to Jesus today determines how you will live out in eternity.[/size]


10/9/2007 6:27:28 AM

David B.

In my last post I wrote:

"AF doesn’t draw the curve because he can’t. If he tried he would have to post a curve that is (a) not exponential, (b) does not get steeper or (c) does not show a decline."

Note that again the graph 'A Friend' pretends proves child sacrifices do as he claims is (a) exponential, (b) gets steeper, and...

Oops, it fails on (c), it does not show a decline. Exactly as I said, he cannot draw a graph that does all three other than one that goes negative.

It's worth remembering here that AF said that the exponential (and steepening) decline in child sacrifices through history were proof of the exponential growth in human conscience. But the only way he can demonstrate this claimed decline is by posting the graph of human conscience he originally claimed the trend in child sacrifices was proof of.

Clearly AF has no proof that child sacrifices declined as he said. He merely took his unproven growth of human conscience graph and invented the trend in child sacrifices he thought would be consistent with it.

10/9/2007 7:17:39 AM

David B.

[size=14]Why ‘A Friend’ doesn’t draw the graph of declining child sacrifices himself.[/size]

Because he can’t.

Remember, AF has said that only an exponential decline in child sacrifices can be result in their near non-existence today. What’s more he has stated that the decline has got steeper with time until it is now a near vertical slope.

The problem is that there is no exponential curve that shows a steepening decline that does not also go negative, a result AF had already declared invalid.

First let’s deal with what we know, that child sacrifices (X) are declining, and that the decline has been getting steeper:



We also know that AF has insisted that the decline is exponential:



Combining (1) and (2), we arrive at two inequalities, one for the value:



And one for the slope:



From (3c) and (4c) it is clear that both inequalities are true if, and only if, M < 0 and A > 0.

Now we come to AF’s little problem.



If A > 0 then the exponential bit gets bigger all the time, and starts heading off towards infinity at an ever faster pace. But remember, the only exponential that does what AF says is one where M < 0, so whatever value of C you chose (other than C = oo) X ends up at negative infinity.

Hence there is no curve that shows a steepening exponential decline in child sacrifices that does not go negative. AF doesn’t draw the curve because he can’t. If he tried he would have to post a curve that is (a) not exponential, (b) does not get steeper or (c) does not show a decline.

10/9/2007 7:18:02 AM

David B.

Of course you don’t actually need a lot of maths to see that ‘A Friend’ has made a mistake.

Remember he said that today child sacrifices are virtually non-existent and the curve is virtually straight up and down.

So child sacrifices are nearly at zero and just about heading ‘due south’?



A negative value, AF’s self-raised flagstaff of impossibility, is inevitable.

10/9/2007 7:18:17 AM

A Friend

[size=10]All of David B.'s charts are wrong including his latest one, and he can't find anything in what I said that would cause him to draw his charts. His fuzzy math is wrong which the bare naked eye can see. The original chart remains the correct one:



Replace "global conscience" with child sacrifices per capita with the lower number higher up on the chart. If you prefer, you can place the horizontal axis on the top side of the chart so that the vertical axis points downward. This causes the curve to point downward exponentially (and, also never goes negative) with the lower number lower down on the chart which produces the same effect of an exponential decrease in child sacrifices.

Notice how he draws his chart(s) wrong every time even after it was already explained to him his error. That's called belligerency or obstinacy and shutting his own mind down.

None of his charts fit. He uses them to misrepresent. Child sacrifices can't go negative and do not abruptly hit zero, so charts C (which is also the latest chart) & D are useless. With time along the horizontal axis, A & C (the latest chart) show a creation, which does not help his beliefs.

With time continuing on the horizontal axis, his charts B & D fail because they indicate an ever increasing speed into the past to a slower rate to the present. That would not be an exponential increase in conscience of getting better faster. I am glad that by the grace of God as we move forward there is an exponential improvement in conscience, not decreasing improvement.

Hence, there is only one chart that works. The one I gave originally. It is good advice for David B. to accept the truth, for the truth shall set him free.

This is God's design. Embrace it and receive Jesus as your uncreated Creator, Lord and Savior! For the consequences of rejecting God's grace of eternal forgiveness is a never ending punishment of hellfire in an eternal separation from God and His own sons and daughters.

For those who don't understand why some try to fight the exponential increase in conscience, it is because it shows there is a Creator who created. The exponential progression in conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, because you would not still be sinning by now having been derived from the past. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created. This proves the Creator exists and He is uncreated. Know that He is God of the Bible: the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, for none can compare to Christ.

Can you see how hard the unsaved soul tries to rationalize his existence apart from God? He'll have no excuses at Great White Throne.

How you respond to Jesus today determines how you will live out in eternity.[/size]


10/9/2007 8:04:19 AM

David B.

In my last post I wrote:

"AF doesn’t draw the curve because he can’t. If he tried he would have to post a curve that is (a) not exponential, (b) does not get steeper or (c) does not show a decline."

Note that again the graph 'A Friend' pretends proves child sacrifices do as he claims is (a) exponential, (b) gets steeper, and...

Oops, it fails on (c), it does not show a decline. Exactly as I said, he cannot draw a graph that does all three other than one that goes negative.

It's worth remembering here that AF said that the exponential (and steepening) decline in child sacrifices through history were proof of the exponential growth in human conscience. But the only way he can demonstrate this claimed decline is by posting the graph of human conscience he originally claimed the trend in child sacrifices was proof of.

Clearly AF has no proof that child sacrifices declined as he said. He merely took his unproven growth of human conscience graph and invented the trend in child sacrifices he thought would be consistent with it.

Though he claims my charts are wrong, he cannot draw the right one. Though he claims my maths is wrong, he cannot show how (even if he understood it). Though he claims that child sacrifices prove his exponential progression in global conscience, he cannot provide any evidence that this is so.

Troy claims a lot, but cannot prove anything.

10/9/2007 8:25:27 AM

David B.

[size=14]Why ‘A Friend’ doesn’t draw the graph of declining child sacrifices himself.[/size]

Because he can’t.

Remember, AF has said that only an exponential decline in child sacrifices can be result in their near non-existence today. What’s more he has stated that the decline has got steeper with time until it is now a near vertical slope.

The problem is that there is no exponential curve that shows a steepening decline that does not also go negative, a result AF had already declared invalid.

First let’s deal with what we know, that child sacrifices (X) are declining, and that the decline has been getting steeper:



We also know that AF has insisted that the decline is exponential:



Combining (1) and (2), we arrive at two inequalities, one for the value:



And one for the slope:



From (3c) and (4c) it is clear that both inequalities are true if, and only if, M < 0 and A > 0.

Now we come to AF’s little problem.



If A > 0 then the exponential bit gets bigger all the time, and starts heading off towards infinity at an ever faster pace. But remember, the only exponential that does what AF says is one where M < 0, so whatever value of C you chose (other than C = oo) X ends up at negative infinity.

Hence there is no curve that shows a steepening exponential decline in child sacrifices that does not go negative. AF doesn’t draw the curve because he can’t. If he tried he would have to post a curve that is (a) not exponential, (b) does not get steeper or (c) does not show a decline.

10/9/2007 8:25:49 AM



Of course you don’t actually need a lot of maths to see that ‘A Friend’ has made a mistake.

Remember he said that today child sacrifices are virtually non-existent and the curve is virtually straight up and down.

So child sacrifices are nearly at zero and just about heading ‘due south’?



A negative value, AF’s self-raised flagstaff of impossibility, is inevitable.

10/9/2007 8:26:11 AM

A Friend

[size=10]All of David B.'s charts are wrong including his latest one, and he can't find anything in what I said that would cause him to draw his charts. His fuzzy math is wrong which the bare naked eye can see. The original chart remains the correct one:



Replace "global conscience" with child sacrifices per capita with the lower number higher up on the chart. If you prefer, you can place the horizontal axis on the top side of the chart so that the vertical axis points downward. This causes the curve to point downward exponentially (and, also never goes negative) with the lower number lower down on the chart which produces the same effect of an exponential decrease in child sacrifices.

Notice how he draws his chart(s) wrong every time even after it was already explained to him his error. That's called belligerency or obstinacy and shutting his own mind down.

None of his charts fit. He uses them to misrepresent. Child sacrifices can't go negative and do not abruptly hit zero, so charts C (which is also the latest chart) & D are useless. With time along the horizontal axis, A & C (the latest chart) show a creation, which does not help his beliefs.

With time continuing on the horizontal axis, his charts B & D fail because they indicate an ever increasing speed into the past to a slower rate to the present. That would not be an exponential increase in conscience of getting better faster. I am glad that by the grace of God as we move forward there is an exponential improvement in conscience, not decreasing improvement.

Hence, there is only one chart that works. The one I gave originally. It is good advice for David B. to accept the truth, for the truth shall set him free.

This is God's design. Embrace it and receive Jesus as your uncreated Creator, Lord and Savior! For the consequences of rejecting God's grace of eternal forgiveness is a never ending punishment of hellfire in an eternal separation from God and His own sons and daughters.

For those who don't understand why some try to fight the exponential increase in conscience, it is because it shows there is a Creator who created. The exponential progression in conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, because you would not still be sinning by now having been derived from the past. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created. This proves the Creator exists and He is uncreated. Know that He is God of the Bible: the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, for none can compare to Christ.

Can you see how hard the unsaved soul tries to rationalize his existence apart from God? He'll have no excuses at Great White Throne.

How you respond to Jesus today determines how you will live out in eternity.[/size]


10/9/2007 9:26:50 AM

Meister Owl

Heh.

1) Agnosticism/atheism can't be true because the universe can't start up all by itself, nor can it always have existed. There is no moral compass, thus, causing you to increase sin.

1. Exponential progression of conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects in the natural realm since you would not still be sinning by now.

So, it's both is it? And in the same post, no less. Amusing, A Friend. Quite amusing. (-;

10/9/2007 5:10:20 PM

A Help for Meister Owl

Not at all. There is a third selection which is the only possible one therefore, that the uncreated created.

10/9/2007 7:40:25 PM

A Friend

Compare this to God of the Bible:
1) a large percentage of the population at least say they believe in Christ
2) Jesus is personal and makes himself in the likeness of man to atone for sins
3) Jesus said He is uncreated
4) God is merciful to let the whole world know about Him
5) Jesus is the perefect atonement for sins to give eternal life
6) nobody is more well documented in antiquity than Jesus
7) scholars are virtually unanimous on the multiple eyewitness testimony shown in the Word of what they believed was the risen Jesus and more than 3 years of ministry.
8) the fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, peace, joy, patience and more!
9) 40 writer over 1500 years are in complete agreement
10) Jesus fulfilled prophecies from centuries before which no man could achieve
11) performed miracles
12) promise of future blessings

Since you could pose no challenge to this comparison, be intellectually honest with yourself you are going to hell and that is what you want because you reject what Jesus did for you.

10/9/2007 7:42:49 PM

David B.

In my last post I wrote:

"AF doesn’t draw the curve because he can’t. If he tried he would have to post a curve that is (a) not exponential, (b) does not get steeper or (c) does not show a decline."

Note that again the graph 'A Friend' pretends proves child sacrifices do as he claims is (a) exponential, (b) gets steeper, and...

Oops, it fails on (c), it does not show a decline. Exactly as I said, he cannot draw a graph that does all three other than one that goes negative.

It's worth remembering here that AF said that the exponential (and steepening) decline in child sacrifices through history were proof of the exponential growth in human conscience. But the only way he can demonstrate this claimed decline is by posting the graph of human conscience he originally claimed the trend in child sacrifices was proof of.

Clearly AF has no proof that child sacrifices declined as he said. He merely took his unproven growth of human conscience graph and invented the trend in child sacrifices he thought would be consistent with it.

Though he claims my charts are wrong, he cannot draw the right one. Though he claims my maths is wrong, he cannot show how (even if he understood it). Though he claims that child sacrifices prove his exponential progression in global conscience, he cannot provide any evidence that this is so.

Troy claims a lot, but cannot prove anything. His 4-step pompous claim of God is a sham.

10/10/2007 11:34:40 AM

David B.

[size=14]Why ‘A Friend’ doesn’t draw the graph of declining child sacrifices himself.[/size]

Because he can’t.

Remember, AF has said that only an exponential decline in child sacrifices can be result in their near non-existence today. What’s more he has stated that the decline has got steeper with time until it is now a near vertical slope.

The problem is that there is no exponential curve that shows a steepening decline that does not also go negative, a result AF had already declared invalid.

First let’s deal with what we know, that child sacrifices (X) are declining, and that the decline has been getting steeper:



We also know that AF has insisted that the decline is exponential:



Combining (1) and (2), we arrive at two inequalities, one for the value:



And one for the slope:



From (3c) and (4c) it is clear that both inequalities are true if, and only if, M < 0 and A > 0.

Now we come to AF’s little problem.



If A > 0 then the exponential bit gets bigger all the time, and starts heading off towards infinity at an ever faster pace. But remember, the only exponential that does what AF says is one where M < 0, so whatever value of C you chose (other than C = oo) X ends up at negative infinity.

Hence there is no curve that shows a steepening exponential decline in child sacrifices that does not go negative. AF doesn’t draw the curve because he can’t. If he tried he would have to post a curve that is (a) not exponential, (b) does not get steeper or (c) does not show a decline.

10/10/2007 11:35:01 AM

David B.

Of course you don’t actually need a lot of maths to see that ‘A Friend’ has made a mistake.

Remember he said that today child sacrifices are virtually non-existent and the curve is virtually straight up and down.

So child sacrifices are nearly at zero and just about heading ‘due south’?



A negative value, AF’s self-raised flagstaff of impossibility, is inevitable.

10/10/2007 11:35:17 AM

A Friend

[size=10]All of David B.'s charts are wrong including his latest one, and he can't find anything in what I said that would cause him to draw his charts. His fuzzy math is wrong which the bare naked eye can see. The original chart remains the correct one:



Replace "global conscience" with child sacrifices per capita with the lower number higher up on the chart. If you prefer, you can place the horizontal axis on the top side of the chart so that the vertical axis points downward. This causes the curve to point downward exponentially (and, also never goes negative) with the lower number lower down on the chart which produces the same effect of an exponential decrease in child sacrifices.

Notice how he draws his chart(s) wrong every time even after it was already explained to him his error. That's called belligerency or obstinacy and shutting his own mind down.

None of his charts fit. He uses them to misrepresent. Child sacrifices can't go negative and do not abruptly hit zero, so charts C (which is also the latest chart) & D are useless. With time along the horizontal axis, A & C (the latest chart) show a creation, which does not help his beliefs.

With time continuing on the horizontal axis, his charts B & D fail because they indicate an ever increasing speed into the past to a slower rate to the present. That would not be an exponential increase in conscience of getting better faster. I am glad that by the grace of God as we move forward there is an exponential improvement in conscience, not decreasing improvement.

Hence, there is only one chart that works. The one I gave originally. It is good advice for David B. to accept the truth, for the truth shall set him free.

This is God's design. Embrace it and receive Jesus as your uncreated Creator, Lord and Savior! For the consequences of rejecting God's grace of eternal forgiveness is a never ending punishment of hellfire in an eternal separation from God and His own sons and daughters.

For those who don't understand why some try to fight the exponential increase in conscience, it is because it shows there is a Creator who created. The exponential progression in conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, because you would not still be sinning by now having been derived from the past. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created. This proves the Creator exists and He is uncreated. Know that He is God of the Bible: the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, for none can compare to Christ.

Can you see how hard the unsaved soul tries to rationalize his existence apart from God? He'll have no excuses at Great White Throne.

How you respond to Jesus today determines how you will live out in eternity.[/size]


10/10/2007 5:06:04 PM

Exposing David B.

[size=10]All of David B.'s charts are wrong including his latest one, and he can't find anything in what I said that would cause him to draw his charts. Therefore what he claims is false. His fuzzy math is wrong which the bare naked eye can see, because obviously, you can't have negative child sacrifices or negative conscience, so he is sinning bearing false witness. You don't need to know those math formulas to be saved, for then only people who know calculus could be born-again. There is no other way to depict the exponential progression of conscience on a chart. The original chart is given as a result of our finding and remains the correct one:



(This chart was created and donated by an atheist who at least understood the principle, so David B. is contradicting his atheist cohorts-they just can't seem to agree on much. Sometimes they say the universe happened all by itself; other times they say it always existed. According to pure logic, a non-believer (atheist) writes "that this calculation [Step 1] tells us that we are moving from more to less sin and concludes that since we have not reached the state of ultimate sinlessness then it must be the case that there was not an eternity of past causes and effects. The argument is deductively valid" - Arturo from think the secular playground.)

Replace "global conscience" with child sacrifices per capita with the lower number higher up on the chart. If you prefer, you can place the horizontal axis on the top side of the chart so that the vertical axis points downward. This causes the curve to steepen downward exponentially (and, also never goes negative) with the lower number lower down on the chart which produces the same effect of an exponential decrease in child sacrifices.

Notice how he draws his chart(s) wrong every time even after it was already explained to him his error. That's called belligerency or obstinacy and shutting his own mind down.

None of his charts fit. He uses them to misrepresent. Child sacrifices can't go negative and do not abruptly hit zero, so charts C (which is also the latest chart) & D are useless. With time along the horizontal axis, A & C (the latest chart) show a creation, which does not help his beliefs.

With time continuing on the horizontal axis, his charts B & D fail because they indicate an ever increasing speed into the past to a slower rate to the present. That would not be an exponential increase in conscience of getting better faster. I am glad that by the grace of God as we move forward there is an exponential improvement in conscience, not decreasing improvement.

Hence, there is only one chart that works. The one I gave originally. It is good advice for David B. to accept the truth, for the truth shall set him free.

This is God's design. Embrace it and receive Jesus as your uncreated Creator, Lord and Savior! For the consequences of rejecting God's grace of eternal forgiveness is a never ending punishment of hellfire in an eternal separation from God and His own sons and daughters.

For those who don't understand why some try to fight the exponential increase in conscience, it is because it shows there is a Creator who created. The exponential progression in conscience disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects, because you would not still be sinning by now having been derived from the past. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created. This proves the Creator exists and He is uncreated. Know that He is God of the Bible: the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, for none can compare to Christ.

Can you see how hard the unsaved soul tries to rationalize his existence apart from God? Such pompous attitude does not seem to get embarrased by what silly things it comes up with to reject the love of Christ. He'll have no excuses at Great White Throne.

How you respond to Jesus today determines how you will live out in eternity.[/size]


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