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[On why he bans almost all atheists after a single post on his forum.]

I have to leave at least one atheist on unbanned. People are not banned for putting forth their best effort, but they are banned, as they ought to be, for being belligerent and obstinate in their pride. This explains what happened to those before you who failed. Though you certainly have your pride like Satan that keeps you separated from Jesus and hellbound, some mercy is helpful here towards you.

Troy, Biblocality 316 Comments [12/28/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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anti-nonsense

Actually, just because we don't feel like telling you why your 4 step proof is bull doesn't make it true. It just means we are tired of arguing with people who will never admit that they've lost. Arguing with fundies reminds me of the Black Knight scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

4/17/2007 12:00:06 AM

Rime

And since A Friend hasn't said anything that refutes Puck's link, it's time for A Friend to repent his sin of pride! The four step proof fails!

Flailing accusations don't count A Friend. You have to deal with it specifically!

4/17/2007 12:53:27 AM

Rime

Actually, it was the Council of Nicea that decided on 66 books. Whether God had anything to do with it is your burden of proof.

4/17/2007 1:00:07 AM

A Friend

Originally posted by Fish


This 4 step proof makes no sense. It states that nothing is spontaneous (which is false, but still) and then credits God with spontaneity of existence and action. Crazy stuff...

Name one thing that is spontaneous.

God did not spontaneously come into existence. He always was, since we find through the 4 Step Proof the uncreated created.

His decision at some point to create is His decision alone which nobody can question, since He is uncreated.

What you can say though that we have been created out of His glory and He desires to walk with those who receive Him, who are forgiven for their sins and blessed with eternal life.

Those who don't want this, shaln't receive it. That decision is a crazy one though! Do you see how your misunderstanding and misreading makes no sense?


4/17/2007 1:03:07 AM

A Friend

Originally posted by anti-nonsense


Actually, just because we don't feel like telling you why your 4 step proof is bull doesn't make it true. It just means we are tired of arguing with people who will never admit that they've lost. Arguing with fundies reminds me of the Black Knight scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

So let me get this right. You think you can disprove the Proof, but won't give the disproof. So since you admit you have given no disproof, I will take your word on it, that you haven't. How do you account for the thousands that have tried to disprove the Proof and all have failed? I think being coy is a false fruit not of God.

I am satisfied that your inadequacy gives glory to God.


4/17/2007 1:07:39 AM

Rime

You haven't shown why Puck's reasoning against your proof is invalid.

You have to deal with it specifically! Sloth is a sin!

4/17/2007 2:10:47 AM

A Friend

Originally posted by Rime


You haven't shown why Puck's reasoning against your proof is invalid.

You have to deal with it specifically! Sloth is a sin!

Puck doesn't have any reasoning against the Proof of God. Would you mind reproducing what you assume here for others to see as well so that we can determine if his thoughts are true. Don't be coy.

4/17/2007 7:21:21 AM

Rime

Step 1 of The Proof states that there is a chain of events, where God started the initial event and therefore time is finite.

He tries to reinforce his arguement with the notion of the rise in global conscience and that the \"saved\" would effectively be Jesus (sinless, that is) if this trend continued as shown in the graph he's using. With this, he claims he's proven Step 1.

But has he? People are as fallible now as they have always been, it is the knowledge we have gained over generations that allows us to make fewer mistakes and a less barbaric species as a whole. People will still continue to blunder and make mistakes. So, it is difficult to argue that the \"saved\" are closer to being \"effectively sinless\" now than they were 500 or 1000 years ago when the Christians were recording stories about the fantastic miracles performed by their brothers and sisters. I know someone will say otherwise, but I will let others decide that for themselves.

So, I took a look at it and thought this:



and said, \"why not?\"

Thank you, Troy, for the interesting challenge. It's sad your rebuttal was so unconvincing.

Good day.

4/20/2007 11:55:31 PM

Rime

For added fun, I'm going to post these links to make things a little easier for visitors to determine for themselves whether Troy has his convictions in the right place. I know someone would claim they're just vague web searches that don't prove anything, but I didn't want to be showing a slant against him, just the links so people could determine for themselves.


4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible


Four Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible


Troy Brooks the Apostle

4/20/2007 11:56:34 PM

A Friend

Originally posted by Rime

For added fun, I'm going to post these links to make things a little easier for visitors to determine for themselves whether Troy has his convictions in the right place. I know someone would claim they're just vague web searches that don't prove anything, but I didn't want to be showing a slant against him, just the links so people could determine for themselves.

4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible
http://www.google.ca/search?q=4+step+perfect+proof&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Four Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible
http://www.google.ca/search?q=four+step+perfect+proof&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Troy Brooks the Apostle
http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Troy+Brooks%22+the+Apostle&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=32a&start=10&sa=N

I don't think people buy your idea you are not trying to be slanty, since your links point to fstdt so you are really just trying to be sneaky. If you want to show it, then do so; no need to be cunning and couth.

You already posted this before here, and this was my response that I gave, which you failed to respond to, and still have not:

In reply the fstdt rebuttle was shown to be false here,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/responsestoperfectproof.htm

You can actually link to this page from here,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/perfectproof.htm

How do you know if someone is an apostle or not if they say they are? Well they have to agree with several things in the Scriptures otherwise, they could be false teachers. If you say you are an apostle and agree with the questions at Biblocality Forums (presently 37 questions), then nobody has a say against you, for you have been directly commissioned by God as an apostle. To understand this further, read here.

4/21/2007 2:08:18 AM

A Friend

Originally posted by Rime


Step 1 of The Proof states that there is a chain of events, where God started the initial event and therefore time is finite.

He tries to reinforce his arguement with the notion of the rise in global conscience and that the \"saved\" would effectively be Jesus if this trend continued as shown in the graph below. With this, he claims he's proven Step 1.

But has he? People are as fallible now as they have always been, it is the knowledge we have gained over generations that allows us to make fewer mistakes and a less barbaric species as a whole. So, it is difficult to argue that the \"saved\" are closer to being Jesus now than they were 500 or 1000 years ago when the Christians were recording stories about the fantastic miracles performed by their brothers and sisters. I know someone will say otherwise, but I will let others decide that for themselves.

So, I took a look at it and thought this:

and said, \"why not?\"

In the post that I already responded to your reproduced post here, let me just post again what I had said (perhaps you could try replying to it; note the date of my response here and no response to it, but sometime later Rime's repost of the same thing WITHOUT responding to my response):

I think you should have known better too not to make these many mistakes you make.

Step 1 does not say there is a chain of events of cause and effects in the eternity of the past, but says, IF there was why it wouldn't work out, why it would not be possible in fact, due to the exponential progression in conscience, we could not have been derived from an infinity of the past of cause and effects because we would not still be sinning by now.

It is because we find the exponential progression in conscience that we come to this finding about the uncreated created only feasible known possibility, not the other way around. We do not first posit the idea, then look for rationalizations, but first notice this is exponential progression in conscience to discover what it points out to us according to the laws of calculus. It is very free-flowing in discovery.

Christians don't believe \"the 'saved' would effectively be Jesus,\" for Jesus is the only uncreated being, and we are His children, because He saved us. You are not a child of God because He has not saved you. And you know what that means. You are going to hell with your father Satan. How sad for you.

This is a chart of exponential progression. Good for you, you are catching on! Though even Satan knows God exists, but rejects Him. Even once you realize God of the Bible exists, you still have to come to the cross to receive Him to be saved. It is not enough to just know He exists.

Whatever the cause it doesn't matter, the fact remains, our conscience has improved both by common grace and the perfecting of the saints in Christ.

The miracles performed by Jesus are many, and there are many more miracles like these performed today with miraculous healings, coming back from the dead after being clinically dead for several hours. There are some miracles though that only Jesus can perform like turning water into wine, walking on water, and feeding 5000 thousand with a few loafs of bread and some fish. These require direct interventions. Gary R. Habermas has done lots of work on this to show there tons of miracles going on. I have benefited from one of them.

You're actually the troll, because you post to bait with nonsense and as a result, of course, you are always wrong in your opinions.

If I held your opinions I would be ashamed and embarrassed.

Maybe Rime can respond to it instead of reposting his same post from here. Rime sure has taken a belligerent approach in this matter, but still can't find anything wrong with the Proof for God. That's a good thing! The not so good thing is his pride unwilling to repent.

4/21/2007 2:18:20 AM

A Friend

Originally posted by Rime


So, I took a look at it and thought this:

and said, \"why not?\"

Thank you, Troy, for the interesting challenge. It's sad your rebuttal was so unconvincing.

Good day.

I am glad you could not specify anything wrong with the Proof to show how convincing it is.

Why not an oo infinity of the past? Because nothing in nature happens all by itself (Step 2), therefore, it can't ultimately create itself. And since there is an exponential progression in conscience (Step 1), there would not be an eternity of the past of cause and effects if you were still sinning, because it would not take that long to reach sinlessness in the saved.

oo is your false assumption proven wrong and it is your idol for your father Satan, the father of lies.

4/21/2007 2:25:12 AM

CousinTed

Translation: I am an asshole. All hail my mighty BanHammer!

4/24/2007 10:44:28 PM

FriendlyA

Originally posted by CousinTed


Translation: I am an asshole. All hail my mighty BanHammer!

You think peope should not get a forum infraction, and continued infractions, for continued profanity, for being obstinate and belligerent, crass and coarse, until the limit is reached causing them to be removed from the forums (not banned usually)?

You're a coward. Were you to yell in the church \"you asshole!\", you would be in keeping with your behavior, but you are too afraid to. You seem to have more guts online as a follower of Satan.

Where you come from this is not where the body of Christ is going. You can either come up to speed, or remain as you are, for it is true the leading conscience in the world today is none other than those God has regenerated with His life through His only begotten Son Jesus Christ.

Neither can we go back to what we were as unsaved as you are now, but neither can we go where you are going, which is to hell.

Wow!

4/24/2007 11:55:04 PM

Mr Smith

A Friend. You still owe me $10,000 for overturning your flawed 4-step proof.

5/1/2007 9:04:23 AM

Jerry

wow...this is the second fstdt-comment-board he's now spamming full...

It's also amusing to se ehe mispelled his name in haste of posting again... IP's getting blocked troy?

5/1/2007 9:16:36 AM

A Friend

Originally posted by Jerry


wow...this is the second fstdt-comment-board he's now spamming full...

It's also amusing to se ehe mispelled his name in haste of posting again... IP's getting blocked troy?

Mispelled where?

What's a se ehe?

I love forums because I can be patient in responding just right.

IP blocked where? I am posting aren't I?

This thread is about why people need to be banned or removed for being belligerent regarding discussion of the Proof for God at Biblocality Forums, so aren't you doing this in your spamming by trying to deflect from the fact that you can't find anything wrong with the Proof for God, yet still call Jesus a liar?

You're a bad guy.
Originally posted by Mr Smith


A Friend. You still owe me $10,000 for overturning your flawed 4-step proof.

In your imagination doesn't count; you have to disprove it for real at Biblocality Forums. Since you can't reproduce your claim here, I am satisfied you can't, and thus, unwittingly give glory to God.

5/1/2007 10:00:08 AM

CousinTed

And Troy does exactly the same thing by banning everyone who disagrees with him and declaring himself \"teh Winnah\".

5/7/2007 6:07:11 AM

CousinTed

>>Possibly the longest thread at fstdt happens to be this discussion of the 4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible with over 800 posts. <<

Half of those posts are just you copying and pasting your nonsensical \"Four step Proof\" over and over and over again. We saw it the first time, you don't need to endlessly repost it

5/7/2007 6:08:37 AM

A Friend

Originally posted by CousinTed


And Troy does exactly the same thing by banning everyone who disagrees with him and declaring himself \"teh Winnah\".
>>Possibly the longest thread at fstdt happens to be this discussion of the 4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible with over 800 posts. <<

Half of those posts are just you copying and pasting your nonsensical \"Four step Proof\" over and over and over again. We saw it the first time, you don't need to endlessly repost it

Nobody is banned at Biblocality Forums that reposts something that is being circumvented. It is always honorable to bring that to your attention which you are shutting your mind down to.

You are mistaken. As you go through all the pages you won't find these duplications. Take another look.

You're wrong again! You're always wrong, all the way to hell!

5/7/2007 9:06:57 PM

Wolf

(I shouldn't, I know I shouldn't...for a first post, this probably isn't the best place to start, but I can't resist...he was \"nice\" enough to repost it on a new thread. cough :))


Ok Troy, I'm going to rewrite your proof for you. Using some semblence of actual logic, and a reasonably decent grasp of english grammar.


Troy's Step 3 - Don't argue against some god for we are talking about God of the Bible. Just stay on topic.

First off, step 3 has to go. You've already called it the \"4 Step Proof for God of the Bible\" - this makes step 3 both redundant and useless. It's a 3 step proof.



Troy's Step 1 - There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years, so that it won't take much longer to reach sinlessness in the saved. That being the case obviously there would not have been an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created.

See, aside from your lack of facts to back you up, you have another problem. Your step 1 uses religious concepts. You can't prove a religious belief by using religious beliefs in the proof. It doesn't work. \"Sin\" and \"the saved\" are both religious concepts. Outside of Christianity(and a few other religions?), \"the saved\" is a non-concept. This is a little difficult to recover, actually. But we'll try rewriting it anyway. (I've seen your usual \"murder and child sacrifice\" examples. Both of those are \"crimes\" - crimes do not require sin in order to be a crime. Driving my car too fast is a crime. Nowhere do I recall the bible stating \"thou shalt not run your donkey too fast\".)

Rewritten Step 1 - There has been a consistent progression in our conscience these past 6000 years, so that at some point in the future people might treat each other with the dignity and respect deserved. Since humankind has not existed forever, there can not be an eternity of past causes and effects.


Troy's Step 2 - Since nothing in nature happens all by itself and always has a cause, then nature could not have caused itself. Thus, the uncreated created.

Ok, you do have a basic understanding of cause and effect. Congratulations. Ok, we'll work with this theory (for now). (The rewrite in this case is merely changing the wording to flow a little better.)

Rewritten Step 2 - Since everything in nature has an external cause, nature could not have caused itself. Thus, something outside of nature (supernatural) must have caused it.


Troy's Step 3 - There can not be gods creating gods or supernatural events causing supernatural events in the eternity of the past, because they do not cause themselves. Therefore, the uncreated created.

Hmm. This one is difficult to recover. We already agreed everything in nature has a cause. The supernatural, by definition, isn't contained within natural laws. So....um...


Ok, I tried. I gave this some thought, and attempted to even make it logical. It can't be done. It works on assumptions(an exponential progression for one), references to the thing being proven in the proof(sinless, the saved), and apparently random jumps from A to C without ever even acknowledging B exists(all of step 3).


I know this is pointless, since you'll probably respond with something that makes no sense, and may not even qualify as proper english, but what the hell. Consider this a chance to say something coherent to someone new.

(And a note to the rest of you - the amount of slack cut in attempting to rewrite it was intentional. I'm aware. :))

5/7/2007 10:52:48 PM

Man Called True

A Friend, you're like the Energizer Bunny. No matter how many times someone manages to point out the flaws in that \"Four Step Proof\", you repeat it over and over again...

It's a pity the church never taught you anything about lost causes.

5/8/2007 1:11:29 AM

A Friend

Originally posted by Man Called True


A Friend, you're like the Energizer Bunny. No matter how many times someone manages to point out the flaws in that \"Four Step Proof\", you repeat it over and over again...

It's a pity the church never taught you anything about lost causes.

Just consider the energy that I have the power of the Holy Spirit working within me.

You spoke of some flaws in the Proof. Where are they? Why can't you reproduce it here then? Are they to come out of a magic hat?

Hence, I point this out to you and continue to present the Proof for God which you can't find anything wrong with.

The Church does not believe you are a lost cause and does not think you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. We still believe you can be saved, through you allowing yourself to be touched in your heart to the truth emotionally to crack open that hardened shell of your soul so God's Spirit can reach down through the window of your conscience to come into your intuition.

This is my prayer for you.


5/8/2007 2:32:01 AM

Man Called True

The flaws in your proof were pointed out by others in this thread and in the original threads you yourself cited earlier. And they are pointed out time and time again.

You're too blind to let yourself see them, or else you dismiss them with a wave of your hand and a turn of your head. You are a lost cause to us and we to you. All your endless preaching does is irritate and anger us.

5/8/2007 4:36:00 AM

A Friend

Originally posted by Man Called True


The flaws in your proof were pointed out by others in this thread and in the original threads you yourself cited earlier. And they are pointed out time and time again.

You're too blind to let yourself see them, or else you dismiss them with a wave of your hand and a turn of your head. You are a lost cause to us and we to you. All your endless preaching does is irritate and anger us.

I am glad you are unable to actually reproduce any disproof here. It makes one think there isn't any.

I think your endless preaching and denial is the cause of your irritation and anger. After all you have made a claim and you can't even reproduce your claim here with evidence.

Looks like you failed again. From my perspective for God's sake, you actually succeeded by giving glory to God because you couldn't find fault with the Proof.

I love that.

5/8/2007 6:10:27 AM
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