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[On why he bans almost all atheists after a single post on his forum.]

I have to leave at least one atheist on unbanned. People are not banned for putting forth their best effort, but they are banned, as they ought to be, for being belligerent and obstinate in their pride. This explains what happened to those before you who failed. Though you certainly have your pride like Satan that keeps you separated from Jesus and hellbound, some mercy is helpful here towards you.

Troy, Biblocality 316 Comments [12/28/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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A Friend

You will be saved at some point during this movie.

The Perfect Stranger


5/15/2007 1:36:26 PM

Mr Smith

Holy Spirit Updater Strikes again.

Lying in another thread are you now?

5/30/2007 10:17:22 PM

A Friend

Praise the Lord!

By the way "Another Perfect Stranger" (2007) is the sequel that just came out Sept. 15.

9/19/2007 4:01:36 PM

Frank

Let's give Troy his own spin-off site, he spams too much here, and it may cause the likes of JohnR7 and supersport to raise their game.

9/20/2007 7:43:37 AM

agentCDE

Step one: I assume you have proof of an "exponential growth of consciousness" you'd be willing to share.

Step two: I assume you have proof of this necessity for supernatural causation you'd be willing to share.

Step three: I assume you have proof that your "4 steps" can't apply to any other God. You know, ASIDE from the fact you fallaciously demand we "stay on topic".

Step four: I assume you have proof of this supernatural lack of causation you'd be willing to share.

9/20/2007 9:04:07 AM

A Friend

Step 1. Many tims has it already been said one example of an exponential pogression in conscience is today child sacrifices are not so prevalent in society as they once were, except perhaps in Islam, but even there the child suicide mass murderers are voluntary even though their parents trained them at the youngest of ages to kill Jews. Hence, you would not still be sinning by now if there was an et erternity of the past of cause and effects.

Step 2. The proof of the uncaused cause, as has been said many times, is that since nothing in nature happens all by itself, the only possibility, since it can't be naturally derived and nature can't cause itself, therefore we know God did it, who is uncreated, and none can compare to Christ.

Step 3. This step is not about whether some god qualifies for the proof. That is determined by whether they can usurp Jesus-with His qualities outlined through the Proof. You have misread Step 3. However, if there is any other claim of being God, please present them and I would be happy to show you they do not qualify. Take Islam for example, which fails. Since the evidence points to Jesus dying on the cross, for Islam to say he did not die on the cross, shows they are wrong and you can't trust their god.

Step 4. Like Step 1 due to the exponential progression in conscience, there cannot be an eternity of the past of cause and effects in the supernatural, since you would have been derived from it.

The evidences have been already given thousands of times. You just shut your mind down to them, so mindlessly you ask for the evidence again all the while not responding to the evidence that was given.

Crazy stuff!

9/20/2007 2:05:58 PM

A Friend

My 4-step proof has been superseded by my 10-step proof. It is obviously superior, for it has six extra steps.

1. The world is 157 years old

2. Dinosaurs are a lie that people believe because they are weak

3. You are happy, you just don’t know it

4. We all come from the same tree

5. Everyone is related to everyone else, except for people with red hair

6. Sperm does not exist - it is a lie spread by biology teachers - along with everything else you have ever been told

7. Men are supposed to lie with nine new partners a week. Women are supposed to lie with six, except for in July, when they must lie with five men a day

8. Aliens exist and are present on earth. If you have a birth mark, you may be descended from Kraff, the famous Emperor of the 4th Paradigm

9. Trees talk, but only some people hear them

10. People who believe in something live much longer than atheists, and they have eternal life thrown in for good measure

Wow!

9/20/2007 9:58:03 PM

A Friend

I did not post

#310696

#310699

#This one here

9/20/2007 9:59:02 PM

A Friend

I think it is wonderful nobody can find fault with the 4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible. I guess that is why it is perfect.

And nobody has been able to challenge the Minimal Facts Approach which shows Jesus is God.

Your testimony has been wonderful!


9/20/2007 10:02:40 PM

A Friend

I did not post

#310705

That's sinning bearing false witness.

9/20/2007 10:07:30 PM

A Friend

Why does this imposter do this?

It's because he knows he can't find anything wrong with the 4 Step Proof for God and the Minimal Facts Approach.

9/20/2007 10:07:42 PM

Rime

At Biblocality Forums is where the 4 Step Proof for God of the Bible originates which proves the selfless faith in Christ. If you can't isolate anything wrong with it, it proves God of the Bible.

Step 1 - There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years, so that it won't take much longer to reach sinlessness in the saved. That being the case obviously there would not have been an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created.

Global conscience receives common grace; the perfecting of the saints receives eternal blessings. The unsaved are cordoned off into hell for rejecting God's love, mercy, grace and gift of salvation and forgiveness of all sins, and eternal life through the resurrection of His ONLY begotten Son.


Now, with all the advances in human rights and the desire to talk before resorting to armed conflict. We no longer rape foreigners at the gates of our cities. So this would seem logical, unless:

1) the saved aren't approaching sinlessness any faster than the saved in the past, or
2) that there hasn't been an exponential growth in global conscience over the past 6000 years.

Since Troy stated that global conscience receives common grace, that would imply that the unsaved are doing fewer things that make God angry, (but definitely not enough). Although it seems that the advances in our human rights and the development of our civilization to function with less and less violence have made the world a better place, does this mean there has been less sin?

Troy has stated that 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 means (among other things) that effeminate men are sinners. He has gone as far as to say that any guy playing a female "World of Warcraft" character is also sinning. There has also been an increase in common-law relationships which mean that there is an increase in fornication. Never mind the number of one-night stands that the unsaved indulge in. This alone would cause an exponential growth curve to be pulled down into a linear growth curve. And fantasizing about having sex with someone? You sin in your heart, therefore you're sinning! I guess this graph should have a data table called (y=1) So far, it looks like there hasn't been an exponential growth in conscience. We've just traded the violent things like rape and murder for things like lust.

He has always stated that we do not sacrifice children anymore, except for Muslims. Well, since he has stated that abortion is murder. Since he states that it is murder, it can definitely be regarded according to the Christian worldview as a child sacrifice, for a person's lifestyle. 100,000 babies are aborted in Canada per year. The American population has double the abortion rate, and 10 times the population, so that would mean roughly 2 million. Mexico has double the abortion rate of Canada and three times the population, so that would mean somewhere around 600,000. In North America, about 2.7 million children per year are sacrificed to the god of lifestyle, according to the Christian worldview. Since abortions weren't being done in huge quantities before the 50's and 60's the exponential growth curve would actually look a lot like a sinusiod, wouldn't it?

I guess that means there hasn't been an exponential growth in conscience.

To quip further, people 1500 years ago would have had more fear of God because they didn't understand as much about the world around them than they do today and would regard many more things as the workings of God. That would mean that the saved would be much closer to sinlessness then than now.

Step 2 - Since nothing in nature happens all by itself and always has a cause, then nature could not have caused itself. Thus, the uncreated created.

Since step 1 is refuted, there's no reason to accept that there has been a finite series of events caused "by the uncaused."

[b]Step 3 - Don't argue against some god for we are talking about God of the Bible. Just stay on topic. This mistake happens all too often.[/i]

Fulfilled. Troy hates it when you pick up the ball and play rugby. He wants to play soccer and he wants to be referee. So, no problem!

Step 4 - There can not be gods creating gods or supernatural events causing supernatural events in the eternity of the past, because they do not cause themselves and due to the exponential progression in conscience as in Step 1 since were derived from that past. Therefore, the uncreated created.

Since Step 1 is refuted and aside from Gary Habermas, definitely has a personal stake in the literal existence of Jesus, there hasn't been proof of the supernatural. As time goes on, we've found out that supernatural is the natural we don't understand or that we're not allowed to understand.

Okay. Refute away!

9/20/2007 10:09:43 PM

A Friend

Imposter #310705 is an imposter. I am the real A Friend imposter.

9/20/2007 10:13:37 PM

Rime

Damn, I missed a tag. One more time just with bold tags.

At Biblocality Forums is where the 4 Step Proof for God of the Bible originates which proves the selfless faith in Christ. If you can't isolate anything wrong with it, it proves God of the Bible.

Step 1 - There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years, so that it won't take much longer to reach sinlessness in the saved. That being the case obviously there would not have been an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created.

Global conscience receives common grace; the perfecting of the saints receives eternal blessings. The unsaved are cordoned off into hell for rejecting God's love, mercy, grace and gift of salvation and forgiveness of all sins, and eternal life through the resurrection of His ONLY begotten Son.


Now, with all the advances in human rights and the desire to talk before resorting to armed conflict. We no longer rape foreigners at the gates of our cities. So this would seem logical, unless:

1) the saved aren't approaching sinlessness any faster than the saved in the past, or
2) that there hasn't been an exponential growth in global conscience over the past 6000 years.

Since Troy stated that global conscience receives common grace, that would imply that the unsaved are doing fewer things that make God angry, (but definitely not enough). Although it seems that the advances in our human rights and the development of our civilization to function with less and less violence have made the world a better place, does this mean there has been less sin?

Troy has stated that 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 means (among other things) that effeminate men are sinners. He has gone as far as to say that any guy playing a female World of Warcraft character is also sinning. There has also been an increase in common-law relationships which mean that there is an increase in fornication. Never mind the number of one-night stands that the unsaved indulge in. This alone would cause an exponential growth curve to be pulled down into a linear growth curve. And fantasizing about having sex with someone? I guess this graph should have a data table called (y=1) So far, it looks like there hasn't been an exponential growth in conscience. We've just traded the violent things like rape and murder for things like lust.

He has always stated that we do not sacrifice children anymore, except for Muslims. Well, since he has stated that abortion is murder. Since he states that it is murder, it can definitely be regarded according to the Christian worldview as a child sacrifice, for a person's lifestyle. 100,000 babies are aborted in Canada per year. The American population has double the abortion rate, and 10 times the population, so that would mean roughly 2 million. Mexico has double the abortion rate of canada and three times the population, so that would mean somewhere around 600,000. In North America, about 2.7 million children per year are sacrificed to the god of lifestyle, according to the Christian worldview. Since abortions weren't being done in huge quantities before the 50's and 60's the exponential growth curve would actually look a lot like a sinusiod, wouldn't it?

I guess that means there hasn't been an exponential growth in conscience.

To quip further, people 1500 years ago would have had more fear of God because they didn't understand as much about the world around them than they do today and would regard many more things as the workings of God. That would mean that the saved would be much closer to sinlessness then than now.

Step 2 - Since nothing in nature happens all by itself and always has a cause, then nature could not have caused itself. Thus, the uncreated created.

Since step 1 is refuted, there's no reason to accept that there has been a finite series of events "caused by the uncaused."

Step 3 - Don't argue against some god for we are talking about God of the Bible. Just stay on topic. This mistake happens all too often.

Fulfilled. Troy hates it when you pick up the ball and play rugby. He wants to play soccer and he wants to be referee. So, no problem!

Step 4 - There can not be gods creating gods or supernatural events causing supernatural events in the eternity of the past, because they do not cause themselves and due to the exponential progression in conscience as in Step 1 since were derived from that past. Therefore, the uncreated created.

Since Step 1 is refuted and aside from Gary Habermas, who definitely has a personal reason to believe in the existence of Jesus, there hasn't been proof of the supernatural. As time goes on, we've found out that supernatural is the natural we don't understand or that we're not allowed to understand.

9/20/2007 10:14:16 PM

A Friend

Since I was A Friend first,
A Friend ##310716 is an imposter.

9/20/2007 10:15:55 PM

Hawker Hurricane

@Rime
Pretty good refutation.
Of course, Troy will lie and claim it wasn't refuted again.

My offer stands, Troy: prove the existance of any God to me and $20 dollars is yours. But I decide if it's proven, not you nor anyone else.

9/20/2007 10:35:01 PM

A Friend

A help for Rime.

Step 1 Remains Unchallenged. Are the saved approaching sinlessness faster? Yes. Christian charities make up the most charities in any city usually. Christians will be raptured before the unsaved by a thousand years.

Common grace is given to everyone, but Christians receive something extra, which is eternal blessings.

We cannot compare oranges with apples. You cannot compare the effiminate character sinning online, since there was not computers until recently.

Lust always precedes rape and murder, they have not been replaced.

Regarding fornication, we can say that it is less in terms of polygamy which is not acceptable anymore.

Abortion was not something that could previously clinically be done, so we cannot compare this practice. If before there were virtually zero abortions because this clinical practice was not available, you can't say it is up or down.

There is no reason to have reverent fear of God any less today than before, just because we have more technology. In fact, the more we learn the more we become reverent to God because we continue to realize we increasingly see how complicated a single cell is filling up 100 million pages of text and has a flowchart of interactions that that could fit a map the side of a building. Scientists have said the probability of even enzymes being created from the inanimate is 1 to the power of -40,000. There are only 1 to the power of 160 atoms in the universe. Do the math. The more we look into the past the more we can't figure out what is the cause other than to say since nothing in nature happens all by itself, nature can't cause itself, so we know the uncreated Creator did it! It must be true.

Step 2 Remains Unchallenged. Since Step 1 remains unchallenged let's see if Step 2 remains unchallenged. Since the uncreated created as proven in Step 1, we know creation began which you can say is a finite number of things that have happened since then, since nature does not happen all by itself, but has an ultimate cause that is outside itself.

Step 3 Remains Unchallenged. I don't think we are playing rugby, soccer or referee, but it is a fact God of the Bible has certain qualities, so the minute you start arguing about quality B that is not in the set of qualities of God, you are no longer arguing against the Proof for God of the Bible. Try to stay on topic. I will help you as best I can.

Step 4 Remains Unchallenged. Since Step 1 remains unchallenged, the same principle held there also holds for the supernatural as there is no reason the laws of cause and effect should be altered. Effects are always preceded by a cause. It doesn't matter if there is a supernatural or not for Step 4. For the sake of Step 4 we are only saying if there is a supernatural, then there cannot be an eternity of the past of cause and effects, from which we would be derived, due to the exponential progression of conscience.

Gary R. Habermas was originally a buddhist and had no intention of being oherwise, but the more he searched God out with all his heart and soul, he realized buddhism was a lie and the only truth was Christianity. If you searched God out as well with all your heart and soul, God promises you shall find Him. Obviously you have not done so yet because you are too selfish. You realize that about yourself.

We do though in fact know the supernatural exists, since nothing in nature can cause itself, we are left with only one possibility, the uncreated created, and this is doubly confirmed by the fact that there is an exponential progression in conscience, so there could not be an eternity of the past of cause and effects; hence, the uncreated created who is outside the natural Who is Supernatural. Using the Minimal Facts Approach as well, we also come to the same finding there is the supernatural creator who is spirit, not natural.

You will appreciate Gary Habermas because he uses the Minimal Facts Approach, that is the things which both skeptics and non-skeptical scholars agree on and then work out from there to see what findings can be derived about the resurrection of Jesus.

What I have told you is clearly understandable so you are without excuse. A young child could understand it.

9/20/2007 10:45:33 PM

A Friend

I highly recommend you read Gary R. Habermas' latest work "The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus" (2004) which is as succinct and efficient as any work on the proving of the resurrection of Jesus using the Minimal Facts Approach.

Also, get the new book that just came out by Lee Strobel called "The Case for the Real Jesus" (2007).

If you read these two books completely, slowly and carefully, I believe you will have searched God out with all your heart and soul and be saved. But if you don't it is indicative that you would prefer to remain in your sinful lifestyle and not be regenerated in your spirit.

Give yourself a real chance to be saved.

9/20/2007 10:50:18 PM

A Friend

Pick 3 or 4 items out of your link about Gary R. Habermas' points that you would like to challenge, and I would be happy to help you understand what is going on, how you misread the information.

9/20/2007 10:52:55 PM

A Friend

This should give you great joy that God fully proved Himself in the 4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible and using the Minimal Facts Approach.

9/20/2007 11:00:00 PM

Rime

Well, thanks for the help, but you have failed to convince me.

Common grace is given to everyone, but Christians receive something extra, which is eternal blessings.

This is countering nothing. But thanks anyway.

Are the saved approaching sinlessness faster? Yes. Christian charities make up the most charities in any city usually. Christians will be raptured before the unsaved by a thousand years.

The point is not are the saved getting to be sinless. The point is "is there an exponential increase in global conscience?" I would appreciate being told to stay on topic better if you would do the same.

I've noticed that too many people fall for that tasty bait.

We cannot compare oranges with apples. You cannot compare the effiminate character sinning online, since there was not computers until recently.

Your "effemenism" argument fails because it doesn't need the invention of computers, just that you regarded any man playing a female character on WoW as a sinner. Which pulls that exponential growth curve wayyy down.

Lust always precedes rape and murder, they have not been replaced.

My point: sin is sin is sin. We aren't murdering more, but it appears that since we are indulging in sex, gluttony and sloth (oops, I forgot those. Way too many people are . instead.

Regarding fornication, we can say that it is less in terms of polygamy which is not acceptable anymore.

No, common-law (and same-sex, oops my bad) relationships are on the rise. Since there is no official recognition of these relationship as a union between two people from a true Christian church (which would also mean that Calvanists, Baptists, Catholics, etc.) then the union is not recognized, and every act of sex is fornication. Which pulls bends that exponential growth curve out of shape.

Abortion was not something that could previously clinically be done, so we cannot compare this practice. If before there were virtually zero abortions because this clinical practice was not available, you can't say it is up or down.

It didn't need to be clinical. It is sacrificing a human being to the worldly god of lifestyle according to your worldview. But I'm sure you'll miss the point again.

Step 2. Since my refutation of Step 1 hasn't been countered effectively, Step 2 fails.

Step 3. I should have known that everyone but you would see my point.

Step 4. It's funny how you give me a big speech about Gary Habermas who seems to have had a very emotional conversion by your description. I have a lot of trouble trusting emotional believers.

And thanks, Hawker. It's improved a bit since last time.

Okay Troy. Your move.

9/20/2007 11:29:13 PM

Rime

Oops, I'll add a few clarifications.

I can say we're indulging in gluttony more because of an obesity epedemic.

And about Step 4:

Do you have no other proof of the supernatural? Not that it matters. If I were to stay on topic, however, Step 4 fails because it needs Step 1 to be valid.

Sorry about that.

9/20/2007 11:40:44 PM

A Friend

Rime,

Step 1 Remains Unchallenged.Since there is no way to count the number of effiminates and homos on computers 2000 years ago, you can't make that comparison. You can only compare apples to apples, e.g. number of child sacrifices per capita, or number of families with more than one wife, or crime rate per capita.

The reason why it seems like there are more induglence on the surface to the undiscerning is because there are over 6 billion people on the planet. About 1000 BC there were only 100 million people on the planet. That is why you have to compare on a per capita basis.

The rate of homosexuality per capita has gone down. In the Bible there were whole cities engaging in such practice which were then destroyed. Today it is less so on a per person basis indicating an exponential improvement.

Sacrificing humans on altars can be compared, but you can't compare the clinal practice of abortions because this advanced was not available until recently.

The Bible says in the latter days there will be an exponential acceleration in technology. That's now! But this is not conscience. In terms of conscience there will be a brief period of serious falling away in the latter days, but it will be short-lived, like a short-lived war, for then Christ returns to reign for the glorious millennial kingdom, in which the nations will no longer be deceived (Rev. 20.3) by war. This is unprecedented in human history and an exponential progression of conscience from previous millennia.

Step 2 Remains Unchallenged. Since the response to attempted refutation to Step 2 totally disproved your attempt, and you could not show otherwise, well nothing else needs be said there.

Step 3 Remains Unchallenged. Since you overlooked my point and did not respond to it specifically, your attempt at refutation has failed you.

Step 4 Remains Unchallenged. Your argument against Step 4 is you think Gary R. Habermas had an emotional conversion. Even if he did, how would that help you disprove Step 4? You don't make the connection. I am not sure where you think that, for his conversion was very typical of most Christians emotionally, intellectually and spiritually. He investigated, and then gave his life to Christ. That is what most Christians do and they search out with all their heart and soul. You don't do that, that is why you are not saved. You're too arrogant and self-cented, exalting yourself above your creator. Nothing is dumber.

9/21/2007 12:56:54 AM

A Friend

I am here because I've been banned from nearly every other forum, save this and my own. I really have nothing else.

I think I need a hug.

9/21/2007 1:01:43 AM

A Friend

Rime,

You can't compare obesity, because you can only compare apples to apples (same wealth ability to be gluttonous) and it should be globally considered. No nation in history has been more wealthy, so food shortage is not an issue, which was an issue even in the most prosperous nations in history, because the production levels were just not there like we have the ability today. USA is gluttunous for it is falling babylon, just like previous nations who were on top were gluttunous. I believe USA is the last great nation to fall before the rise of the Roman Empire again which is the European Economic Union. The EU currency will not stop rising over the long-term, while USA's currency will continue to tank, creating painful inflation and they will lose the hegemony of their currency.

Step 4 stands alone. Since you could find nothing wrong with Step 1 it is a solid, and so is Step 4.

Try again, but don't keep trying all the way to hell, otherwise you will never get saved.


9/21/2007 1:02:50 AM
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