Quote# 87956

Is there scientific proof that smoking causes cancer? Of course there isn’t. What is there are opinions coming from often flimsy collection of data with a largely faulty procedure promoted in Germany by the Nazis, whose chief Adolph Hitler, obsessed with health and hatred of smokers, ordered up antitobacco pseudo-science to demonstrate that his hatred of tobacco was rooted in science rather than in ideology and/or emotions.

Unfortunately, after the war the Nazi junk science was furthered, and more and more epidemiological studies proliferated to support an Eugenics ideology that indeed preceded and continued after the Nazi regime. Today multifactorial epidemiology based on unverifiable questionnaires is everywhere, and at the base of endless regulations, obligations, and prohibitions that kill economies and freedom.

What is worse, both the public and many "experts" actually believe that interviews with unverifiable answers by people who are already heavily influenced by propaganda (if not already sick, so in search of a rationalization of their disease), often about memories of decades earlier, can be turned into precise numbers. This numerical nonsense is called "science" to the point of excluding real science. In effect biased opinion has become "fact" while fanatical peeves become "the causes" of all the ills of the world. The evils and the evil ones must be eradicated to the benefit of the technocratic Master Race. This is Eugenics and this is how it lives on.

This travesty is in fact both symptom and cause of the intellectual and societal rot at the heart of these very bad times.

Lauren Colby, Forces International 22 Comments [6/24/2012 3:08:49 AM]
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Hate to tell you this, Colby, but William Shirer, who hated Nazis, was nonetheless impressed by the health and vigor of the young people, so sometimes even Hitler was right.

6/24/2012 4:22:01 AM

Leighton Buzzard

And which tobacco company do you work for, Ms Colby?

6/24/2012 5:24:47 AM


Yeah, if Adolf Hitler hates it, it must be good!

6/24/2012 6:30:25 AM

Hitler hated commies too. Does that mean Communism is good?

BTW, Hitler spelled his first name "Adolf"

6/24/2012 7:21:51 AM

Brendan Rizzo

This is what you get when tobacco companies get protection by the government.

6/24/2012 8:01:50 AM


And which tobacco company do you work for?

6/24/2012 10:22:47 AM


"Nazi junk" science was a big boost to our aerospace programs.

Sadly, we don't have any eugenics program in force today. You are completely free to have any severely disabled child that will never enjoy life or contribute anything to society and receive hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayers money to sustain it.

Lastly, I'll bet you haven't even taken Statistics 101, and you wouldn't know multifactoral epidemiology if it bit you on the ass. I won't even go into all your misunderstanding or twisting of the meaning of words.
There is indeed concern about multifactoral epidemiology, but I hope you will spare intelligent people your asinine remarks.

6/24/2012 10:32:16 AM

veras the brujah

1) discourage smoking
2) ???
3) eugenics
4) profit

6/24/2012 10:52:27 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

Baby Smokes-A-Lot says:

"Tastes like happy!"

6/24/2012 11:22:12 AM


Even if it didn't cause cancer, getting tar into your lung is a bad idea.

6/24/2012 4:07:08 PM

J. James

You know, you are completely right. We should be putting premature infants on tobacco smoke rather than oxygen, by god. And while you're at it, how about you start snorting asbestos? That must be good for you! It'll fireproof your lungs from all the ashes and smoke you're inhaling!

6/24/2012 4:46:22 PM

Raised by Horses

"Sadly, we don't have any eugenics program in force today. You are completely free to have any severely disabled child that will never enjoy life or contribute anything to society and receive hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayers money to sustain it."

What a perfectly odious thought. Worthy of its own submission to this site, I should say.

6/24/2012 5:18:55 PM

Doubting Thomas

Look, I don't care if you want to smoke (as long as you keep it away from me), because the way I see it is if someone smokes like a chimney and dies from lung cancer even though it's well known that smoking is dangerous, then it's Darwinism at work. I don't mean to sound cold and callous, but we've known for around 50 years (with plenty of evidence to support it) that smoking is very bad for you, so I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for anyone who gets sick from it.

6/24/2012 7:36:57 PM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

6/24/2012 7:37:57 PM

Brendan Rizzo

@ Rabbit of Caerbannog:

Actually, Hitler was pretty much a junkie towards the end of his life.

6/24/2012 8:10:58 PM

Doctors Study. ran from 1951 and was publishe early (because the results were already so clear they felt they couln'd delay on ethical grouds - ie they thought their inaction would cause yet more harm) in 1956. Clearly not by Nazis. Read about it, you ignoramus, before revealing your stupidity and ignorance to the world.

I hope nobody actually believes your dribble, or you will have contributed to their deaths. I hope the thought keeps you awake at night.

6/25/2012 3:28:25 AM

Leighton Buzzard

@ Brendan:

No, not really. Yes, he was taking all kinds of shit, but he didn't know he was. He just accepted whatever dubious substances that quack Morell prescribed him. Goering, now he was an addict (morphine, although he got himself off it twice).

6/25/2012 4:36:24 AM


...and then she got lung cancer.

6/25/2012 9:35:10 AM


You have to be kidding me!

Yes the hundreds of chemicals in cigarettes couldn't possibly be carcinogenic at all and inhaling smoke is perfectly healthy.

Light em up moron!

6/26/2012 3:18:08 AM


Even Hitler can have a valid point. You might not like it, but you can't fault the guy when he says something sensible. Which might not be very often, but hey.

6/26/2012 2:08:56 PM


A fact is a fact no matter who said it. Ditto for a lie.

P.S. There is a mountain of scientific evidence that smoking causes cancers... and that you lie like a carpet.

6/28/2012 2:28:37 PM

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