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WHen Jesus saw someone sinning he told them that they were wrong to do that. Liberals love to throw that in our faces about how Jesus was so tolerant but thats a lie. Jesus forgave people who asked to be forgiven but he never said anything other than pure obeisance to Gods will was OK. What would Jesus do if he saw some homosexuals? he would tell them straight up they were damning themselves to Hell. Then if they repented hed forgive them and if they didnt hed be sad that they were going to Hell but hed still send them there. Read through the Gospels and youll see dozens of examples that every time Jesus saw people doing wrong he didn't keep his mouth shut and tolerate it but spoke right out against it.

Croc, Christian Forums 19 Comments [12/29/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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<<Read through the Gospels and youll see dozens of examples that every time Jesus saw people doing wrong he didn't keep his mouth shut and tolerate it but spoke right out against it.>>

So basically... he was intolerant?

12/29/2005 7:16:10 AM

Bob Zimmerman

Uh ... yeah. Because, you know, he told the Roman centurion to \"Go, and sin no more\". No, wait. He didn't.

Hmm. Surely he told the men spitting in his face that they really shouldn't do that. No?

How about the men torturing him? I know he said something like \"Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.\" He must have told them that what they were doing was wrong. Oh. He didn't?

Wow. This calls my whole world-view into question.

12/29/2005 7:45:59 AM


38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

12/29/2005 9:42:40 AM

Just Rick

Half the stuff that Jesus is claimed to have said is false. The whole \"let he who hath no sin cast the first stone\" isnt even found in original bibles. That story shows up much later after the bible begins to be translated from greek.

And doesnt the bible state that Jesus was born under Herod's rule in one place and under Soloman's rule in another?(I may have the 2 names wrong, but definatly 2 different names are mentioned in different areas) I wonder if Jesus might not be a conglomeration of other \"mesiahs\" at the time - much like the stories of King Arthur.

12/29/2005 10:09:27 AM


Just Rick, I think you may be a little confused about the natures of the Old and New Testaments.

The Old Testament outlines the basic beliefs of Judaism and was written, according to mythology, before the birth of Jesus Christ. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew.

The New Testament, on the other hand, was written *after* the birth of Jesus Christ and (effectively) outlines the nature of Christianity and how it differs from Judaism. The New Testament was written in Greek thus the current English versions were translated from Greek.

The verse in which Jesus states, \"He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her,\" does indeed appear in the New Testament, and was therefore translated directly from the Greek.

12/29/2005 10:32:16 AM


\"What would Jesus do if he saw some homosexuals?\" A better question for you to ponder, Croc, is what would Jesus do if he saw some bigots spouting hatred in his name?

12/29/2005 1:12:19 PM

Just Rick

Acetv, while I recall reading about that addition to the bible in much more detail I could not readily find what I had read, however this link describes pretty much what I was talking about, and that is the story of \"casting the first stone\" did not originally appear in the bible but was added in later.

Acetv : \"The New Testament was written in Greek thus the current English versions were translated from Greek\"

Which is what I said with \"That story shows up much later after the bible begins to be translated from greek.

Acetv : \"and was therefore translated directly from the Greek. \"

I'm sorry, but according to the link and article you are incorrect.

\"Q. Tell us about some of the changes.

One of the most famous is the story of the woman taken in adultery in John, Chapter 8. It's the favorite story of everybody who does the Jesus movie in Hollywood and probably one of the best love stories of the New Testament. But it originally wasn't in the Gospel of John and it wasn't in the Bible at all. It was added by later scribes.\"


12/29/2005 1:34:24 PM


Yeshua Ben Yosef spoke of, or Healed people outside the \"Mainstream\" of sexuality twice.He healed the Roman Centurion's beloved Pais,(Squire).
He spoke of the Men would were not capable of Marrying for one reason or another,(Eunuches and perhaps male priest-whores)

As for the \"Turn the other cheek\"
That is actually a way to equalize a demeaning confrontation.Dismissive hits meant to cow you into submission were back-handed slaps with the right hand.Turning the other cheek meant the person would have to hit you with his Palm or Fist,i.e. as an Equal.
-My Two Bits

12/29/2005 2:19:24 PM

Jesse Custer


The Gospels were written in Aramaic, not Greek. They were not translated into Greek until a couple hundred years after they were born.

The story about throwing rocks appears in some (but not all) of the Greek versions, and none of the Aramaic versions. It appears in all the Latin (and later) translations.

You may draw your own inferences as to its originality.

12/29/2005 3:30:32 PM

Darth Wang

Also Jesus said slaves should be respectful of their masters, does that mean slavery is right?

12/29/2005 8:16:39 PM


Interesting points by all.

I've done a little more research on the topic and it seems to be the center of much confusion... It seems that the main argument of those who propose that the Gospel was written in Aramaic is the idea that the language of the Gospel (as it stands in Greek) includes many Aramaic grammatical tendencies.

Then again, much of the argument that it was originally written in Greek is an inference on the limited evidence that the Gospels of Matthew and Mark were written in Greek.

Jessie Custer, do you have any evidence to support your claim that the NT was translated into Greek several hundred years after they were written?

Could you be referring to the Councils of Nicea (325 CE) and Trent (375 CE)? As far as I know, there is no evidence that the bible was translated from Aramaic to Greek at either of these councils.

It is true that in the year 397 CE a council of church fathers was formed which voted on which writings were to be considered the word of the Bible-god. Samuel Golding summarizes it quite well: \"They rejected several, they voted others to be doubtful, and those books which had a majority of votes were voted to be the word of God.\" There is no evidence that the Bible was translated from Aramaic to Greek at this council, either.

However, these councils lead us back to Just Rick's assertion that Jesus' quote was not in the original manuscripts of the Bible. At any of these councils, which were all convened to qualify and rectify the teachings of Christianity, that phrase may have been inserted into the Gospel of John. I haven't seen any evidence indicating this, so I will have to do some more research on the subject.

12/30/2005 12:34:20 AM


Wow, this Jesus guy sounds like a real prick, eh?

12/30/2005 2:10:24 AM

Just Rick

Acetv and Jessie, Good stuff guys. If only your average fundy would investigate stuff like this rather than simply standinf fast to something that their parents or preacher/rabbi/priest told them.

12/30/2005 2:57:27 AM

Allegory for Jesus

What if what you're doing "wrong" doesn't hurt anyone or anything? That it's just called "wrong" for arbitrary reasons never fully justified and yet an apology and repentance is still expected? It makes all of this...stupid.

7/28/2010 6:02:29 PM


Well, yeah. The fig tree story tends to cement the 'Jesus could really be a prick' angle.

7/28/2010 8:29:43 PM


What was that he said about judging others?

7/29/2010 2:33:44 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Jesus is a myth for idiots.

7/29/2010 2:42:39 AM

Still, he had a whore in his bunch. Whatever.

2/13/2011 11:12:08 AM

He hanged out with sinners and he didn´t push them to convert(many didn´t, by the way). Get over it.

12/30/2011 5:33:37 AM

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