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Mefferd: You had talked about the necessity of repealing the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, I guess this is what Holder is using to pressure this Virginia board of supervisors to approve this mega-mosque, what is this Act and why is it necessary?

Geller: It’s not necessary, frankly. I urge the repeal of this Act. I’m not sure who it was, I could have it wrong, I don’t know if it was Orrin Hatch, this is not a finger pointing kind of a thing, it’s more ‘the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.’ It was unnecessary, it was an idea that there should be no religious persecution of houses of worship and so on and so forth, and that was all well and good, but it’s become a weapon in which to club small towns and cities.

Look, no one is saying that you can’t build a mosque, even with the Ground Zero Mosque; there are hundreds of mosques in New York City, we know there are thousands of mosques nationwide, but these giant structures, they completely change the complexion of a town. It could be a small town, residential. I’m telling you I have seen it time and time again, irrecognizable three to five years later. The call to prayer, the parking, hundreds of people. Again, there is an element of dishonesty here because as you know in Islam they got on their knees so you don’t count a chair with that. But it’s important because it’s a way of circumventing the rules, you can’t say ‘it seats 500 or it seats whatever.’ It’s not just freedom of religion here in America, it’s also freedom from religion here in America.

Pamela Geller, Right Wing Watch 35 Comments [6/25/2012 3:25:45 AM]
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0.o wut...

so basically, we can do the same to you, and you're fine with it? no, then sit down and stop being so bigotted. you've got your mega-churches already, freedom of religion, bitch

also, first, and maybe later a better takedown of the argument

6/25/2012 3:52:02 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

it’s also freedom from religion here in America.

Please remember you said this when I mention "seperation of church and state" the next time you piss and moan about gawd not being pushed in the public forums. (schools, courts, etc.)

6/25/2012 4:02:12 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

@Percy Q. Shunn

No, that's not what she means. The Constitution clearly grants freedom of religion and freedom from religion for Christians only. Since secularism is a religion, preventing Christians from pushing God in public forums actually violates both their freedom of and freedom from religion.

See how it's different?

6/25/2012 4:09:02 AM

MK

@Veras - That can't be right, because Christianity isn't a religion, it's a "relationship with Jesus."


6/25/2012 4:11:10 AM

Raised by Horses

I agree that said mega-mosque would probably be an eyesore. But I feel the same way about most churches.

6/25/2012 4:24:05 AM

louislois

As long as they don't put loudspeakers on the minarets, and wake me up with the muezzin's prayer call at 4:30 AM, then I really don't care if they build a mosque in my neighborhood, or not.

6/25/2012 4:38:01 AM



What does it matter if you sit on a chair or on the floor? It's still a count of how many people you can fit into the area.

Hundreds of people visiting one venue in New York can hardly be of significance. Millions of people pass through NY every day.

If mega-churches are allowed, then mega-mosques and mega-synagogues ought to be allowed too.

6/25/2012 5:04:46 AM

Mister Spak

"but these giant structures, they completely change the complexion of a town. It could be a small town, residential. I’m telling you I have seen it time and time again, irrecognizable three to five years later."

Like Walmart?

6/25/2012 5:43:21 AM

Doubting Thomas

But I'm guessing that if a local town refused to allow a megachurch to be built, you'd be all upset about it and running around screaming about godless government and claiming that Christians are the most persecuted people in the world, etc.

6/25/2012 5:58:26 AM

John_in_Oz

If they were forcing you to attend their Mosque, I'd leap to your defence. But since they wouldn't even let you in, I have to say you've got all the freedom from religion that you want.

6/25/2012 6:02:34 AM

pete

It's funny when Jewish people sound just like Nazis.

6/25/2012 6:37:43 AM

toth

> It’s not just freedom of religion here in America, it’s also freedom from religion here in America.

Never, ever thought I'd hear a fundie say that. I almost want that mosque to be built, if it causes more fundies to say the same thing.

6/25/2012 6:52:00 AM

Horsefeathers

I find it amusing and horrifying at the same time that these people don't realize that what protects the people they don't like also protects them.

6/25/2012 7:08:27 AM

Thinking Allowed

So much fail in just a few paragraphs.

6/25/2012 7:58:31 AM

breakerslion

In the same vein as Mister Spak's comment...

Would you mind this much if NASCAR changed the complexion of your town with a race track?

6/25/2012 9:02:33 AM

Ludd

Right, you're against mosques being built because of 'parking issues'. Speaking of an element of dishonesty.

6/25/2012 10:19:25 AM

J. James

"It's also freedom from religion"

You have GOT to be shitting me. That is the most hypocritical, opportunistic twisting of the secular defense of the first amendment I have ever seen.

6/25/2012 11:04:52 AM



The call to prayer, the parking, hundreds of people.

Sorta like the local Christian mega-church that needs traffic police every Sunday to handle the crowds and direct the onslaught of cars coming for, you know, weekly service.

Again, there is an element of dishonesty here because as you know in Islam they got on their knees so you don’t count a chair with that. But it’s important because it’s a way of circumventing the rules, you can’t say ‘it seats 500 or it seats whatever.

I think most intelligent people can realize that such terminology refers to the maximum number of persons allowed in the building. Besides, I haven't seen "seats X" signs in quite a while; it's usually just "maximum capacity X" but that doesn't support your "dishonesty" claim now, does it?

6/25/2012 11:35:35 AM

Rubix

What the fuck, I've seen fundies say we have freedom OF religion but not FROM religion all the time! You can't just suddenly switch your position back and forth depending on which religion we're talking about!

It's...I just don't know what to say anymore...How are you supposed to reason with people like this?

6/25/2012 11:39:51 AM

observiNG

I'll remember this next time they start building another goddamn megachurch in my town.

6/25/2012 12:13:24 PM

Old Viking

Norman Rockwell's America: small mosque, barely tolerable, but should probably be reviled by all right-thinking people; big mosque, shout hysterically, run in circles, wave your arms.

6/25/2012 2:10:57 PM



checkmate

"Yes, great, it's going to bring our town revenue, think of the thousands of visitors":



"Oh, no, the parking, hundreds of people":



I urge the repeal of this Act. ... it was an idea that there should be no religious persecution of houses of worship

Err, are you saying that that's a bad thing and that there should be religious persecution of houses of worship?

6/25/2012 2:41:06 PM

The_L

"but these giant structures, they completely change the complexion of a town."

So does a megachurch, but those still exist.

6/25/2012 3:46:21 PM

Karana

"It’s not just freedom of religion here in America, it’s also freedom from religion here in America."

Okay, one of you fundies has finally said it, BUT you've totally missed the actual meaning behind that. It's not 'my religion can do what-ever it wants and everyone elses can go fuck themselves because I want to have freedom from things to do with that religion specifically."

Muslims don't get to tell you that you can't build churches, so you don't get to tell them they can't build mosques.

6/25/2012 3:54:32 PM

Zagen30

FYI, Geller is Jewish.

6/25/2012 4:10:59 PM
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