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[Panetta] said this, “We are people with different values.” We’ll let’s talk about different values. When I came to Wisconsin way back in the 50’s, there was a story running around about a guy named Ed Gein who was a grave robber and his values meant that he would rob graves and corpses and the things that came out of the—well I don’t want to go further into that story—except it was you know it was his values after all. I mean what’s wrong with having values like that? Then some years ago ten blocks up the street from where we’re sitting right now was Jeffrey Dahmer, whose values were along the same line homosexuality but in addition to that, literally the cannibalizing and killing of human beings, dismembering their bodies and all kinds of weird stuff. But that after all we have diversity, right? We have different values.

Then of course we have people who have different values even in different venues. There are those whose values mean it’s very desirable and their own desire to molest children. We call them pedophiles. Because it’s a moral behavior or immoral behavior if properly defined. Its molestation but that happens to be their set of values and how dare we say anything about that. And then of course I don’t go from the sublime to the ridiculous here, but bestiality. Bestiality!

I mean this this is vile behavior. God says this stuff is an abomination and is sin, but of course if we no longer have a moral compass and we no longer have a God, we have a whole bunch of them and we can sit here and look at leadership, the highest leadership now in our country, that has literally voted for and has the legend has it the allegations has it that in his previous history, there are reports out even on YouTube of people who claimed to have engaged in this type of behavior with the President of the United States. These are allegations but they are out there.



When I when I think of what is happening here folks, when I see the moral fabric of our country literally in flames; how do you define morality? I mentioned the allegations that had been circulating about the past of even our President. And again, those are allegations out there. You can even go to YouTube and there are videos of those who have claimed to engage with certain.

Vic Eliason, Right Wing Watch 53 Comments [6/25/2012 3:26:24 AM]
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chillaxed

Vic, you are an idiot. Does the term 'consenting adults' mean nothing to you? Do you really not see the difference between murdering or molesting people, hurting people, and two consenting adults having a relationship? Where is the victim? Who is getting hurt? idiot...

6/25/2012 3:59:49 AM

Filin De Blanc

Is there no bullshit these people won't use to discredit Obama?

6/25/2012 4:01:38 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

Let's keep this short:
-Values may be relative, but if you're going to live in our society, you must still abide by the harm principle.
-Homosexuality and murder have nothing to do with each other.
-Consensual sex. Look it up... uh... in the dictionary. Given how far that stick is crammed up your ass, Googling consensual sex might kill you.

Also, you're citing YouTube?

6/25/2012 4:03:31 AM

\m/>_<\m/

yeah, yeah, and gawd hates shrimp. think hard, there must be a point under all those buzzwords...

homosexuality=/= grave robbing, necrophilia, serial killing (dahmer ended up born-again, remember?)

someone do the rest of the rebuttal please... edit: wow, that was fast, kthxbai

6/25/2012 4:06:33 AM

MK

The basic rule of society is: you can have differing values, but your right to live by those values terminates where they infringe on the lives of others.

So you can be a black-hating, Jew-hating, gay-hating KKK member. You just can't lynch them, put burning crosses on their lawns, drag them behind your pick-up truck, rape them, etc.

See how that works?

6/25/2012 4:09:16 AM



When your "different values" harm other people, or their property, then they are wrong and illegal (we don't reallt need the term immoral, as we have the term illegal).
It doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever that gay people can marry each other. Ergo; it's not immoral.

Your human rights ends where mine begin, remember.

6/25/2012 4:14:05 AM

louislois

Talk about a flying leap...

6/25/2012 4:31:57 AM

Reynardine

The world is so full of a number of things, and look what you choose to dwell on! What does that tell us about your values?

6/25/2012 4:31:58 AM

D Laurier

I have no idea what this person is trying to say.

6/25/2012 5:06:11 AM

Mister Spak

Then we have the people whos values oppose American values. They go by different names, such as KKK, or teabaggers, or Republic party.

6/25/2012 5:41:14 AM

CanadianBroad

Hey Vic: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbour", Vic! Remember that one?


God hates you, Vic.

You're gonna burn.

6/25/2012 5:46:13 AM

Doubting Thomas

"Different values" doesn't mean you get to do whatever the fuck you want. Don't we still have laws against all that stuff you mentioned?

6/25/2012 5:54:20 AM

John_in_Oz

MY values include not spreading slander.

6/25/2012 5:57:51 AM

Often Partisan

Atheism != Moral relativism.

6/25/2012 6:05:08 AM

The Wild One, Forever

For the last time, sex between consenting adults (who are not married or otherwise involved with someone else) harms no one. The gender of the participants does not matter. How about this? Try shutting up and minding your own business. The world would be better for it.

6/25/2012 6:06:18 AM

Mayhem


6/25/2012 6:57:14 AM

Horsefeathers

"... Ed Gein ... Jeffrey Dahmer ... values ..."

Vic, do you really want us to make a list of Christian "values" like slavery, bigotry, sectarian violence, forced conversions, and the many, many, many people who have been convicted of far worse than Gein or Dahmer could have ever dreamed of who were, none the less, professed Christians?

No, I don't think you would want us to make such a list.

"Then of course we have people who have different values even in different venues. There are those whose values mean it’s very desirable and their own desire to molest children. We call them pedophiles."

I call them Catholic priests, but I suppose it's all semantics really.

"Because it’s a moral behavior or immoral behavior if properly defined. Its molestation but that happens to be their set of values and how dare we say anything about that."

Consent, jackass.

"And then of course I don’t go from the sublime to the ridiculous here, but bestiality. Bestiality!"

What rant about homosexuality, pedophilia, and cannibalism would be complete without the vaunted bestiality comparison, right Vic?

"I mean this this is vile behavior."

Vile behavior that Christians have also participated in. Don't forget that, Vic.

"You can even go to YouTube and there are videos of those who have claimed to engage with certain."

YouTube, much like your fine self, is not a credible source for anything.

6/25/2012 7:00:33 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Murderers and rapists are bad people because they cause harm to others. There is nothing about homosexuality requiring gay people to be murderers or rapists; the vast majority only have intercourse with consenting adults, much like straight people. And those are the operative words: consenting adults. If one or both are missing, then it's rape, which, as has been noted, the religious are a lot more tolerant of than the non-religious, so you are in no position to talk.

You also lose points for using the word "literally" in a metaphor. There appears to be a negative correlation between a person's intelligence and how likely they are to do that.

6/25/2012 7:06:31 AM

Oh My Dog!

There is no slippery slope here. You know those old Roadrunner cartoons where Wile E. Coyote manages to find several unusual ways to go over a cliff.

Well, you're Wile E. Coyote.


6/25/2012 7:50:47 AM

breakerslion

I've never seen a shit shovel that big. Wherever did you buy it?

Your argument, if I can call your somewhat random nattering that, stinks on ice for several reasons. I limit myself to addressing the alleged non-existence of moral relativism in a Christian doctrine that contains Commandment 6, yet makes endless excuses for smiting one's enemies.

Dolt.

6/25/2012 7:52:16 AM

Nagol

Here's an interesting idea. Maybe we should allow people to live the way they wish as long as they don't wish to harm other people. For example, two consenting adults having sex, no matter what gender both are, harms no one, so comparing it to bestiality, murder, cannibalism, and pedophilia is quite asinine. I seriously wonder how you manage to dress yourself in the morning if you can't see the obvious difference. Maybe you know the difference, but still use these comparisons anyway in a shameless attempt at discrediting homosexuals. If homosexuality is so bad, then tell us why it's so bad without comparing it to something else. If it's really so horrible then you should have no problem doing this.

6/25/2012 8:16:39 AM

rageaholic

Oh lookey here, another sanctimonious A hole who thinks they're one of the few moral people left in the world.

6/25/2012 8:17:38 AM

Papabear

People who dance the polka obviously have different values from mine. Then there are those left-handed people, and people who drive Mazdas. My God, the moral fiber of this country is in flames.

6/25/2012 9:21:27 AM

fishtank

And you suck the genitals of horses. It's an allegation, and now it's out there.

So. fucking. what.

6/25/2012 9:30:16 AM

Fireshark

Troll tip #392: When making the bibliography for your research paper, it's OK to include "YouTube comments page" as a source.

6/25/2012 9:33:20 AM
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