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First and foremost is the realization that, while not all Germans are anti-Semitic, there is an anti-Semitic tendency within German culture that extends back to the time of Martin Luther. Germans are instinctively anti-Semitic in the same way that Americans are instinctively freedom-loving. Anti-Semitism has been and unfortunately remains the default ideology of the German people.

William E. Grim, Jihad Watch 36 Comments [6/25/2012 3:26:57 AM]
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i rag on germans as much as the next franco-brit, and even i think you're nuts and beyond wrong. stereotypes should not be confused with archetypes

also, first

6/25/2012 3:39:55 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

meh

6/25/2012 3:47:03 AM



By that rationale, you could say it's the default ideology of all of Europe, given how Jews were treated basically everywhere. Cultures and views move with the Zeitgeist.

I can't say I'm not pleased to see a variation on the usual anti-semitism that gets posted here. Of course no posts would be better still, but at least ragging on Germany is vaguely unusual.

6/25/2012 4:17:51 AM

Matante

Billy never talked to German people right?
They go out of their way not to be associated with antisemitism, that's where it's most taboo!

6/25/2012 4:29:02 AM

Leighton Buzzard

First sentence, fair enough (although you could say the same about almost any European nation). Second sentence, WTF? Third sentence ... you're a loony.

6/25/2012 4:39:04 AM

Reynardine

Which is why Jews were so assimilated into German culture that Hitler had to dedicate whole bureaus and special sorting machines to tracking them down. And by the way, he was an Austrian.

6/25/2012 4:46:29 AM

D Laurier

huh?
No. No. And no.

6/25/2012 5:03:11 AM

Doubting Thomas

I think ever since that guy with the funny mustache ran their country, they've been very much against antisemitism in Germany. IIRC, Holocaust denial is a crime there.

6/25/2012 7:14:54 AM

Brendan Rizzo

First and foremost is the realization that, while not all Americans are anti-intellectual, there is an anti-intellectualist tendency within American culture that extends all the way back to the time of Edward Rutledge. Americans are instinctively education-hating in the same way that the Japanese are instinctively obsessed with cute little girls. Anti-intellectualism has been and unfortunately still remains the default ideology of the American people.

Makes just as much sense as what this guy says.

6/25/2012 7:31:29 AM

fishtank

Please come to Germany and let us all punch you in the face.


Of course there's antisemitism in my country. There is and was antisemitism practically everywhere. You point being what exactly?

@Thomas
It's a bit complicated, but basically: yes, it is.

6/25/2012 9:47:52 AM



Americans are instinctively freedom loving? Really? 'Cause it looked to me like America had a lot of people trying to suppress other's freedom of religion.

6/25/2012 10:33:17 AM



"Americans are instinctively freedom-loving."

O.O??

By all accounts, most Americans only love freedom when it's their own... other people's freedom? Not so much...

6/25/2012 10:35:16 AM

Skyknight

@1416537: True, too often it's more like "privilege-loving". Authoritarians, it seems, don't just want freedom; they want exaltation and to be actively envied.

6/25/2012 12:29:08 PM

whatever

Hitler dumped his anti-semitism on a bemused German people, and had to work hard to make it prevail in everyday German life. It was up to Goebbels and his team to come up with slogans like "Judentum ist Verbrechertum" and "The Jews are our misfortune". When signs went up in German towns saying "Juden, hier sind Sie unerwünscht", many people were shocked, but they went along with it, because not following Nazi party policy was rather foolish if you valued your freedom.

6/25/2012 3:37:30 PM

nazani14

Anti-Semitic tendency within German culture, and the rest of Europe, extends back to the Middle Ages- 6th or 7th century, if I had to guess. However, I never encountered it when I lived there.
Beer is the default ideology of the German people.

6/25/2012 4:30:24 PM

SpukiKitty

This is pure stupid!

6/25/2012 5:56:03 PM

michael3ov

"Americans are instinctively freedom-loving"

Yes because other nationalities just hate freedom.

One more thing Mr. Grim. Do you think you could define freedom?

6/26/2012 3:21:12 AM

Brendan Rizzo

@ whatever:

Can you translate that stuff for us? I apologize for being American and thus, not a polyglot.

6/26/2012 7:19:30 AM

LAchlan

"Americans are instinctively freedom-loving"

Are you "American Dad"?

6/27/2012 5:11:26 PM

keppie

I will say that they do not have the same attitude toward Jews that open-minded Americans do about minority faiths. I was a foreign exchange student there and had some discussions with my host family about the matter. While they didn't outright express antisemitism, they did say that they were "not Germans" (even those who had lived there for generations). This struck my American sensibilities as strange, as I consider any American citizen an American, regardless of color or creed.
Was my host family representative of their peers? I don't know. Is it antisemitic to say they're not German? Not sure. Even we Americans hyphenate when speaking of certain minority or immigrant groups.

8/4/2012 8:35:31 AM

whatever

Sorry Brendan, I assumed that because these slogans were a famous part of Nazi history, their meaning was well known. They mean "Jewry is crminality" and "Jews, you are not wanted here".

8/6/2012 1:31:56 PM

Kuno

@Reynardine:

Which is why Jews were so assimilated into German culture that Hitler had to dedicate whole bureaus and special sorting machines to tracking them down. And by the way, he was an Austrian.

You know, I never thought about this before. As far as I know there weren’t any Jewish “schtetls” in Germany as they were common in Eastern Europe.

Jewish businesses were in fact so much indistinguishable from “normal German” ones that the SA hat do mark them with big painted stars of David and the word “Jude” (German for Jew). And the Jews themselves had to wear the yellow star of David, otherwise they wouldn’t be recognizable as “different”.

For the most part Jews were just normal Germans that went to different churches, on Saturday instead of Sunday.

Thank you for this new insight. You learn something new every day!

Also, @Billy here:

In the name of my fellow Germans: Go fuck yourself!

8/8/2012 7:01:18 AM



Also, Christians are inherently hateful of all things slightly different from them.

10/22/2012 6:40:50 PM

Frelus

@keppie
Uhm, if it was not said sarcastically, this would get quite a reaction in Germany (at least in most parts).
A not quite friendly reaction, to say the least.

11/20/2012 9:37:27 AM

xyz

> Americans are instinctively freedom-loving
I lol'ed. That is certainly not the case for the 47% (ouch!) of the population that voted for Romney.

12/15/2012 7:41:10 PM
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