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#1416372
\m/>_<\m/
i rag on germans as much as the next franco-brit, and even i think you're nuts and beyond wrong. stereotypes should not be confused with archetypes
also, first
6/25/2012 3:39:55 AM
#1416377
Percy Q. Shunn
meh
6/25/2012 3:47:03 AM
#1416397
By that rationale, you could say it's the default ideology of all of Europe, given how Jews were treated basically everywhere. Cultures and views move with the Zeitgeist.
I can't say I'm not pleased to see a variation on the usual anti-semitism that gets posted here. Of course no posts would be better still, but at least ragging on Germany is vaguely unusual.
6/25/2012 4:17:51 AM
#1416403
Matante
Billy never talked to German people right?
They go out of their way not to be associated with antisemitism, that's where it's most taboo!
6/25/2012 4:29:02 AM
#1416410
Leighton Buzzard
First sentence, fair enough (although you could say the same about almost any European nation). Second sentence, WTF? Third sentence ... you're a loony.
6/25/2012 4:39:04 AM
#1416413
Reynardine
Which is why Jews were so assimilated into German culture that Hitler had to dedicate whole bureaus and special sorting machines to tracking them down. And by the way, he was an Austrian.
6/25/2012 4:46:29 AM
#1416415
D Laurier
huh?
No. No. And no.
6/25/2012 5:03:11 AM
#1416466
Doubting Thomas
I think ever since that guy with the funny mustache ran their country, they've been very much against antisemitism in Germany. IIRC, Holocaust denial is a crime there.
6/25/2012 7:14:54 AM
#1416472
Brendan Rizzo
First and foremost is the realization that, while not all Americans are anti-intellectual, there is an anti-intellectualist tendency within American culture that extends all the way back to the time of Edward Rutledge. Americans are instinctively education-hating in the same way that the Japanese are instinctively obsessed with cute little girls. Anti-intellectualism has been and unfortunately still remains the default ideology of the American people.
Makes just as much sense as what this guy says.
6/25/2012 7:31:29 AM
#1416524
fishtank
Please come to Germany and let us all punch you in the face.
Of course there's antisemitism in my country. There is and was antisemitism practically everywhere. You point being what exactly?
@Thomas
It's a bit complicated, but basically: yes, it is.
6/25/2012 9:47:52 AM
#1416536
Americans are instinctively freedom loving? Really? 'Cause it looked to me like America had a lot of people trying to suppress other's freedom of religion.
6/25/2012 10:33:17 AM
#1416537
"Americans are instinctively freedom-loving."
O.O??
By all accounts, most Americans only love freedom when it's their own... other people's freedom? Not so much...
6/25/2012 10:35:16 AM
#1416565
Skyknight
@1416537: True, too often it's more like "privilege-loving". Authoritarians, it seems, don't just want freedom; they want exaltation and to be actively envied.
6/25/2012 12:29:08 PM
#1416594
whatever
Hitler dumped his anti-semitism on a bemused German people, and had to work hard to make it prevail in everyday German life. It was up to Goebbels and his team to come up with slogans like "Judentum ist Verbrechertum" and "The Jews are our misfortune". When signs went up in German towns saying "Juden, hier sind Sie unerwünscht", many people were shocked, but they went along with it, because not following Nazi party policy was rather foolish if you valued your freedom.
6/25/2012 3:37:30 PM
#1416610
nazani14
Anti-Semitic tendency within German culture, and the rest of Europe, extends back to the Middle Ages- 6th or 7th century, if I had to guess. However, I never encountered it when I lived there.
Beer is the default ideology of the German people.
6/25/2012 4:30:24 PM
#1416631
SpukiKitty
This is pure stupid!
6/25/2012 5:56:03 PM
#1416673
michael3ov
"Americans are instinctively freedom-loving"
Yes because other nationalities just hate freedom.
One more thing Mr. Grim. Do you think you could define freedom?
6/26/2012 3:21:12 AM
#1416765
Brendan Rizzo
@ whatever:
Can you translate that stuff for us? I apologize for being American and thus, not a polyglot.
6/26/2012 7:19:30 AM
#1417232
LAchlan
"Americans are instinctively freedom-loving"
Are you "American Dad"?
6/27/2012 5:11:26 PM
#1430882
keppie
I will say that they do not have the same attitude toward Jews that open-minded Americans do about minority faiths. I was a foreign exchange student there and had some discussions with my host family about the matter. While they didn't outright express antisemitism, they did say that they were "not Germans" (even those who had lived there for generations). This struck my American sensibilities as strange, as I consider any American citizen an American, regardless of color or creed.
Was my host family representative of their peers? I don't know. Is it antisemitic to say they're not German? Not sure. Even we Americans hyphenate when speaking of certain minority or immigrant groups.
8/4/2012 8:35:31 AM
#1431557
whatever
Sorry Brendan, I assumed that because these slogans were a famous part of Nazi history, their meaning was well known. They mean "Jewry is crminality" and "Jews, you are not wanted here".
8/6/2012 1:31:56 PM
#1432219
Kuno
@Reynardine:
Which is why Jews were so assimilated into German culture that Hitler had to dedicate whole bureaus and special sorting machines to tracking them down. And by the way, he was an Austrian.
You know, I never thought about this before. As far as I know there weren’t any Jewish “schtetls” in Germany as they were common in Eastern Europe.
Jewish businesses were in fact so much indistinguishable from “normal German” ones that the SA hat do mark them with big painted stars of David and the word “Jude” (German for Jew). And the Jews themselves had to wear the yellow star of David, otherwise they wouldn’t be recognizable as “different”.
For the most part Jews were just normal Germans that went to different churches, on Saturday instead of Sunday.
Thank you for this new insight. You learn something new every day!
Also, @Billy here:
In the name of my fellow Germans: Go fuck yourself!
8/8/2012 7:01:18 AM
#1461714
Also, Christians are inherently hateful of all things slightly different from them.
10/22/2012 6:40:50 PM
#1471999
Frelus
@keppie
Uhm, if it was not said sarcastically, this would get quite a reaction in Germany (at least in most parts).
A not quite friendly reaction, to say the least.
11/20/2012 9:37:27 AM
#1483321
xyz
> Americans are instinctively freedom-loving
I lol'ed. That is certainly not the case for the 47% (ouch!) of the population that voted for Romney.
12/15/2012 7:41:10 PM
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