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I just want to tell you that the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption [in San Francisco], in which I am still a registered parishioner, has many disturbing symbols: The most visible is a giant Satanic Cross that stands above the ceiling.

It is made of modern art stained glass. This Satanic Cross is also known as the "Protestant Cross", a perfect "+" (plus) sign. The satanists claim that the "+" shaped cross represents the four elements of the universe which are air, earth, water, and fire, with the spreading in the four directions of the arms of the Cross being to receive the four said elements. The satanists thus claim that Christianity stole "their Cross".

Naturally, there is no permanent Crucifix above the sanctuary, but a mere modern cross hanging by wires, suggesting that Jesus Christ Our Lord was just a dream, an invention, or as the satanists say: a "concept".

In all, we have a gigantic satanic symbol in the cathedral that is the head of seven dioceses spreading from Fresno, CA, to the Oregon border, and going as far East as the State of Utah.

One more, less visible, but more shocking symbol of this cathedral, is a bronze that represents the Visitation. The bronze shows the Virgin Mary bare foot and pregnant, serving St Elizabeth and Zachary. Zachary reads an obvious sacred book, and St. Elizabeth looks at the belly of Mary. Above by the window are doves looking at the whole scene. One unavoidable detail of this bronze represents a matrimonial bed, and more ironically, of the queen-size.

The symbol of this bronze is that it represents a ménage-à-trois, an unspeakable heresy that insinuate to the public that the Blessed Virgin Mary was made pregnant, not by the Holy Ghost, but by Zachary. The suggestion that Mary was made pregnant by the father of St John the Baptist, and thus that Jesus and John were half-brothers is naturally satanist, but also in line with the Koran of the Mohammedans.

Denis Fleury , Tradition in Action 52 Comments [6/26/2012 3:39:43 AM]
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Voice of Humanity

@ Which would be awesome. 'The First Church of Elder Sparkius' has a nice ring to it.

6/26/2012 11:00:14 AM

LAchlan

"Unspeakable heresy"? Is it the fucking middle ages again and I've not noticed? Anyone who types the words "Unspeakable heresy" in earnest should have their computer confiscated and be put in an iron maiden. Twat.

6/26/2012 11:02:34 AM

Papabear

If you stop imagining symbolism in every thing you see, you'll have a little time to think about important issues.

6/26/2012 11:22:04 AM

fishtank

uh... wha?

6/26/2012 12:08:39 PM

JohnTheAtheist

You lost me at "the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption".

6/26/2012 12:13:36 PM

Elia

What jumped out at me was this shitwit's interpretation of the bronze representing the Visitation. And they say non-Christians are the perverts?? Dude, whatever is making you inject your fevered sexual fantasies into real life, get that problem taken care of.

6/26/2012 12:30:45 PM

TheLastCenturion

"The symbol of this bronze is that it represents a ménage-à-trois, an unspeakable heresy that insinuate to the public that the Blessed Virgin Mary was made pregnant, not by the Holy Ghost, but by Zachary. The suggestion that Mary was made pregnant by the father of St John the Baptist, and thus that Jesus and John were half-brothers is naturally satanist, but also in line with the Koran of the Mohammedans."

well, from the "there isnt really a difference between islam and xstianity" perspective, both that "bronze" and the koran seem to agree that mary cheated on joseph with zachary. that lends alot more credibility to islam, that both your religious symbols, and the koran seem to agree. however, that would first require that both religions werent complete garbage. everybody knows Jupiter is the king of the gods. mythology doesnt even MENTION yahweh OR allah. obviously false religions. we all end up in dis either way though, so its not like it matters that this guy is wasting his life.

6/26/2012 3:06:43 PM

Ebon

"The satanists claim that the "+" shaped cross represents the four elements of the universe which are air, earth, water, and fire, with the spreading in the four directions of the arms of the Cross being to receive the four said elements."

No, we don't. I actually am a Satanist (Luciferian denomination, if it matters to you), I literally worship the devil and not only is it not what you think (it's nowhere near as colourful as the movies make it look) but we don't and never have claimed this.

Incidently, the + shaped cross was the standard for much of the Middle Ages. Were they Satanic too?

You may, because you're deeply stupid, be thinking of Druids. They don't worship the devil and hence, aren't Satanic. They do have a very complex and fascinating belief system which I encourage you to learn about.

Ah, I just got to the part about threesomes and have to conclude that you're both clinically paranoid and clinically insane.

@ The_L:
There's a bit more to it than just twisting Christianity. Yes, we do take a lot from Christianity but we also incorporate quite a few Gnostic influences as well. And we're more likely to use the symbol of a pentagram or flame than an inverted cross.

6/26/2012 3:37:56 PM

Martha Jones

*face palm*

6/26/2012 4:10:57 PM

chillaxed

The interpretation of symbols (or anything for that matter) is often more telling of those doing the interpretations than those that left or designed the symbols being interpreted. and thus, we get religion.

6/26/2012 6:53:14 PM

Argle Bargle

All that's missing is something about the Jews, and we would have a trifecta.

6/26/2012 11:46:40 PM

rebel

You are an idiot.
Also, Our Lady of the Assumption? There's a joke in there somewhere, I just know it.

6/27/2012 3:19:36 AM

Ludd

These Christian Crosses aren't Christian enough! Also this Star of David isn't Jewish enough!

Something tells me that if you could some how bring the real Jesus back to life (assuming he ever existed in the first place) and presented him to this nutbag he'd find some hidden 'Satantic/Anti-Christian' fault with him.

6/27/2012 10:31:53 AM

checkmate

This Satanic Cross is also known as the "Protestant Cross", a perfect "+" (plus) sign.

Oh dear, this hurts. Denis, haven't you ever heard of the term "Greek Cross"? If you haven't, look it up.

Almost all of the early churches were built in that shape. The longer western nave came later (= "Roman Cross").

In fact, Michelangelo initially designed the St. Peter's Basilica in Rome as a Greek Cross. That design still comprises it's basic floor plan:

original design:

What was actually built:

That's what I call "tradition in action", you booby.

6/27/2012 12:25:46 PM

Tatsukun

Um... "Satan" is a god in the CHRISTIAN pantheon, no others. Sorry dude, if there are any "Satinists" they are a type of Christian.

6/27/2012 2:14:20 PM

Canadiest

The "cross" you speak of, that looks like a plus sign, IS the seasonal division of astrology predating your Bible by thousands of years. It's dead common in churches from before the 1800s and still, as you noticed used today.

It's just one of the things Christianity stole from other beliefs. Your Risen God's one of the others.

6/27/2012 2:21:33 PM

dafuq?

Someone fell asleep during high school literature class and only caught "analyze everything for significance".

6/27/2012 9:52:17 PM



Assumption indeed.

6/27/2012 10:17:42 PM

WWWWolf

> a mere modern cross hanging by wires, suggesting that Jesus Christ Our Lord was just a dream, an invention, or as the satanists say: a "concept".

Or that, you know, Jesus was taken down from the cross and was buried and went to Hell and rose from the dead and was taken to the Heaven.

It's not like this would be some sort of an obscure story that is widely different among Christian denominations, you know.

The symbolism is fairly fucking obvious, unless you're just trolling in real life.

6/28/2012 2:57:04 AM

KittyKaboom

The Equal Armed Cross has no connection to Satanism whatsoever and predates christianity. It is also not known as the protestant cross. Did it hurt when you pulled that out of your ass?

Historical revisionism, dumbfuck. Try cracking open a book besides the bible on occasion.

6/28/2012 6:45:17 AM

SpukiKitty

This bozo probably sees sex & demons in bags of Cheetos!

DENNIS:"AAAAAAAAAAUUUUGGGHHH!!!!...."

"....DEVILS HAVING AN ORGY!"

I wouldn't be surprised if he looked at a cloud one day.....

"TWO GIRLS ONE CUP?! ARGH!"

6/28/2012 9:25:51 AM

Delirium

Oh, those wacky traditionalist Catholics.

6/28/2012 12:14:45 PM

Raised by Horses

@checkmate

Isn't that a level from DooM?

6/28/2012 5:54:53 PM

NonProphet

@The_L & Ebon:

Don't forget the non-Luciferian Satanists. LaVeyans? I forget what they call themselves. Anyway, they don't even BELIEVE in Lucifer or the Christian God. All their stuff is Gnostic & old-school pagan (though not so much with the blood sacrifices).

6/29/2012 12:35:40 AM

Ebon

@ NonProphet:
Not forgetting the LaVeyans. It's just that I'm not one and feel I can only speak for the denomination I'm actually part of.

6/29/2012 3:31:36 AM
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