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So when Atheists say they dont believe in "your God", they are actually saying that a God exists....

Josh Ferguson, Myspace 23 Comments [12/29/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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At first I thought this might be a simple use of Saint Anselm's \"proof\" of God. That was an attempt to show that having a concept of God to deny implied the existence of God.

It seems not: \"Agnostics dont [sic] deny that their [sic] is a God, but also will not believe without evidence of a God existing..

So when Atheists say they dont [sic] believe in \"your God\", they are actually saying that a God exists....\"

After spending some time trying to grok this, I believe that his thought process may be:

P1: Agnostics will only believe (anything on gods?) when a god is demonstrated.
P2: Atheists believe one possible God does not exist.
C1: Therefore, some other god must have been demonstrated.

... or maybe he just wants (but fails) to point out that once proving one conception of God to not exist, others are still an open question.

My head hurts...

12/30/2005 6:18:56 AM


either that ^^^^^

or he's just a buffoon.

12/30/2005 7:20:56 AM

Just Rick

Or if I say I do not believe in your tooth fairy then obviously I still believe in mine?

I KNOW your invisible friend is just bullshit. My invisible friend, Charlie, told me so.

12/30/2005 8:45:54 AM


Doesn't every atheist have a personal god? Or is this guy just plain stupid.

12/30/2005 2:14:51 PM

Darth Wang

I thought saying 'your god' was just a way of discriminating between one and another.

12/30/2005 2:55:57 PM

Bob Zimmerman

Technically, he's right. \"I don't believe in your God\" could be seen to imply the existence of another. Here's a phrase that could instead be used to provide more clarity: \"I don't believe in your 'God'.\" Note the quotes around the word \"God\".

Still, he's just being deliberately obtuse in his definitions and understanding so as to support his own strained viewpoint that atheism is a religion.

12/30/2005 9:41:46 PM


You don't believe in Buddah, so therefore your saying he exists.

3/1/2008 4:55:24 PM

Caustic Gnostic

Gods and demons, etc, exist within the mass psyche. I will allow that premise.

That pathetic dipshit monomaniac Jehovah, is a psychic dead-end. Anyone with sensitivity, sense, or normal instinct recognizes that.

Keep "your God", loser.

3/1/2008 5:34:58 PM


You don't believe in my gods, so you're saying they exist.

3/1/2008 5:45:28 PM


Another dismal attempt by a fundie to twist words. No, I don't believe any God exists. How hard is that for you to comprehend?

12/28/2010 3:28:06 AM

Quantum Mechanic


12/28/2010 4:27:31 AM

Thinking Violet

I can actually see what this person is trying to get at by including 'your' in the quote. However, as a long-time atheist, I would never say "I don't believe in your God". I don't see the necessity to qualify which god I don't believe in, for the simple reason that I don't believe in any of them. I would generally just say "I don't believe in God". However, when speaking to a fundie who continually espouses the benefits of belief in 'his' god, I can understant why someone would qualify a reply to him by saying "But I don't believe in your god."

12/28/2010 4:28:42 AM


Reading comprehension, how the fuck does that work?

12/28/2010 4:40:16 AM


That's more Agnostic as they think possibly there might be one God (or more) but having no religion don't believe in a particular one or faith

as in "they dont believe in "your God","
and why the hell should they.

But the way it's worded it's the best argument they have for their Gods existance. That many don't believe in him. Logic fail

12/28/2010 4:46:31 AM


When a fundy says they don't believe in "evolution", they are actually admitting that they do. Fixed.

12/28/2010 8:52:17 AM


"So when Atheists say they dont believe in "your God", they are actually saying that a God exists...."

Although I'm an Atheist, I'm actually a born-again Urdist:

We believe that one day, Urd (the Norn of the Past) will emerge through our TV/monitor screens and solve the world's problems by screwing everyone senseless.

I can't prove it of course, but then who needs proof when you've got 'faith' eh Josh?

If you don't believe in Urd, you are actually saying that she exists...

...and unlike your 'God', at least my God(dess) can be seen. Amirite?

I love the smell of destroyed arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.

12/28/2010 10:48:48 AM


suggesting that acknowledging the existence of a concept == believing in the veracity of that concept?

oh, that could so easily be turned back around.

12/28/2010 1:27:35 PM


Apparently we are also saying that Ra exists, and Thor, and Zeus, and Freya, and Ganesh and Shiva, and Buddha, and Quetzalcoatl, and Gaea, and, and, fucking and...

Guess every single deity thought up by man did exist. Or none did...
Take your pick.

12/28/2010 1:32:54 PM


Dawkins says "an Atheist just believes in one less God then you, you are an Atheist when it comes to Zeus, Odin or Ra"

1/1/2011 8:57:49 AM


From a strictly semantic standpoint, you are correct.

However, it's the same difference between a comma being the difference between "Let's eat, Grandma" and "Let's eat Grandma." Bad grammar denotes cannibalism now?

1/1/2011 9:59:57 AM


Wow, have your arms come out of their sockets from all that reaching?

1/1/2011 11:23:47 AM


intelligence fail

1/1/2011 11:48:37 AM


So when Fundies say they don't believe in "your Flying Spaghetti Monster", they are actually saying that a Flying Spaghetti Monster exists...


6/19/2012 7:34:59 AM

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