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I'll assume for the moment that women's suffrage is a good thing. It's still possible to do good things for the wrong reasons.

If you ask your typical leftist or liberal what the reason was for women's suffrage, they'll say "equality" - precisely the same reason they'll give for gay marriage, income redistribution, affirmative action, capitulation to Islam, multiculturalism, and all the various feminist abuses you've complained about in this entry.

But what do they mean by "equality"? Do they mean that women are, in general, equally prone to being politically and economically informed as men? Or perhaps liberals thought that womens' tendency to be less politically informed was simply a result of them not being allowed to vote, and that letting them vote would remedy that situation? If so, they were mistaken. Did they think that women are, in general, equally rational and capable of putting aside their emotions when considering abstract political issues as men? If so, again, they were mistaken. The greater emotionality is intrinsic to women (they couldn't perform the essential role that men can't - nurturing - without it).

Why do you think it is that women were not included in suffrage in the first place? Was it because of male oppression? Was it because our Founding Fathers were sexist jerks who didn't believe in equality?

In my opinion, no. It was primarily the result of the fact that women typically aren't naturally as interested in, or informed about, abstract political issues as men are, as demonstrated in that link above. Nearly all of the political philosophy and theory, rhetoric, political passion, energy, and manpower driving the American Revolution came from men, so it made perfect sense that they placed the responsibility of safeguarding what they had worked for on themselves once they had won it. That women weren't also placed in charge of guarding it at first was simply a reflection of the fact that, with few exceptions, they weren't the ones who had created and fought for it, intellectually or physically.

Later expanding the franchise to women was an act of generosity, not the overdue recognition of some natural and intrinsic political equality that had always existed but which had been suppressed by selfish and brutish patriarchal sexists. A person expecting some sort of material parity between the sexes to manifest itself in the wake of womens' suffrage would be sorely disappointed, and would likely move on to the next mad scheme to achieve it.

So it's not that women's suffrage itself necessarily leads to the many abuses of feminism we see today. It's the rationale typically behind it. If your rationale for suffrage is "equality", then you need to think hard about what you mean by that. It could be that you're using the same logic that has been used to justify all the atrocities of feminism, but that you just haven't (out of basic sanity) been willing to push it as far as they have.

the_deuce, John C. Wright's Journal 47 Comments [6/28/2012 3:24:32 AM]
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OhJohnNo

Ah, a misogynist quote and a misandrist quote right next to each other. Woo.

6/28/2012 4:06:19 AM

Grimsoncrow

...Or maybe women were interested in political issues, but were slapped in the face & told to shut the fuck up and go back to the kitchen when they voiced their opinions?
Also:
"putting aside their emotions when considering abstract political issues"

Yeah, we males are such grand champions at that, aren't we?

6/28/2012 4:06:48 AM

Reynardine

Now, don't you worry your pretty little head, Deucey. Just put up some shelves, mow the lawn, and get the lid off that jar of pickles while we do the thinking.

6/28/2012 4:08:01 AM

The_L

"Do they mean that women are, in general, equally prone to being politically and economically informed as men?"

Also, men CAN be nurturing. I have many fond memories of my father singing to me, taking me on picnics, and bringing me inside with skinned knees to get a Band-Aid. None of these things require one to be female.

You know what, there's just too much fail for me to go through it categorically. Fuck this shit, I'm reading the news.

6/28/2012 4:12:58 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Equal rights does not mean equal everything else, dumbass.

6/28/2012 4:30:33 AM

Filin De Blanc

You misspelled "douche".

6/28/2012 4:36:41 AM



"Do they mean that women are, in general, equally prone to being politically and economically informed as men?"

YES.

Hilary Clinton,Helen Thomas, Madeliene Albright (sp?), Rachel Maddow, Randi Rhodes, etc., bitch.

If I had a buck for every ignorant Fox News watching or NO news watching (or reading) male I've had to smack down with actual facts after he's accosted me with his baseless parroting of right-wing misinformation, I'd be a wealthy woman.

Women weren't allowed to vote or have many other civil rights because the men wanted to keep one thing all to themselves: POWER.



6/28/2012 4:58:29 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

When I first glanced at the user name I read it as the_dunce.

Still do.

6/28/2012 5:05:58 AM

WMTimothy

Molly Pitcher would like a word with you.

6/28/2012 5:09:25 AM

Ebon

Can we get this guy and the maniacs from Radfem Hub together and watch the fireworks?

6/28/2012 5:13:08 AM

Rob aka Mediancat

"The atrocities of feminism?" Huh?

6/28/2012 5:44:01 AM

Zimmer

Even if it were true that women had no interest in current news, they would still be better informed than viewers of Fox News.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/23/fox-news-less-informed-new-study_n_1538914.html

6/28/2012 5:46:50 AM

Mister Spak

Fundies are completely uninformed about politics, as they are in just about every other subject. They shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Fundie sufferage necessarily leads to many of the abuses of fundieism we see today.

6/28/2012 5:51:52 AM

fishtank

Alltogether now... GENDER ROLES!


And fuck you too for propagating them.

6/28/2012 6:06:42 AM

fmitchell

Women! Know Your Limits! is not a documentary.

6/28/2012 6:19:29 AM

Doubting Thomas

It was primarily the result of the fact that women typically aren't naturally as interested in, or informed about, abstract political issues as men are

So why complain about women's right to vote if they're not interested in voting? Why not leave the right to vote alone and allow the women who are interested in politics the ability to cast their vote?

6/28/2012 6:28:13 AM

Table Rock

Even if your assumption are correct, and they aren't even close, that is still not a valid justification to take away anyone's rights. equality means everyone is granted the same freedoms. Whatever motives they have when exercising these rights are none of your concern.

I can vote for a person using any criteria I want. I can vote for the the candidate from my hometown, sharing my religious beliefs, having a compatible astrological sign, being endorsed by my favorite celebrity, or that has the largest shoe size. I can flip a coin just before I enter the voting booth. Do I still keep my right to vote if I do any of these things?

6/28/2012 6:34:14 AM

Mystik Spiral

Wow, your username adequately describes what's between your ears. Well done.

6/28/2012 7:42:17 AM

finnugold

"...income redistribution,capitulation to Islam, multiculturalism..."

Aren't feminist issues.

"they couldn't perform the essential role that men can't - nurturing - without it"

You're even sexist against men.

"Was it because our Founding Fathers were sexist jerks who didn't believe in equality?"

Yes.

6/28/2012 8:03:40 AM

freako104

The_deuce is a fucking moron. Women's sufferage gave them the right to vote. That's a good thing. Oh and equal rights for all

6/28/2012 8:21:40 AM

SpukiKitty

The OP has a very fitting name...he needs a good flushing.

6/28/2012 8:31:16 AM



While yes, women tend to base decisions off of emotion and intuition more than men - though this is far from always the case - most emotional and intuition based decisions are in fact the result of subconcious analysis. It isn't arbitrary (Usually). And men do stupid shit just as much as women.

6/28/2012 8:44:55 AM

SpukiKitty

Now, Mr. Poop; I have an interesting idea that'll subvert the whole "complimentary/gender difference" thingy.

Let's suppose I took your word that women are all emotional/intuitive & men are analytical/logical, that women are nurturing & men stoic....all the more reason to share the power, authority & gender equality! Why? Balance! Yin & Yang, Feminine & Masculine, Shakti & Shiva, Dark & Light. Both can bring their strengths to the table & cancel out each other's weaknesses! With that in mind, the world & it's politics could use "A lady's touch". We need beauty, grace, love, warmth & nurturing. There's too many wars & ego.

That said, these are mainly generalizations & stereotypes & physical sex & the concept of gender are two different things that don't necessarily go together.

Complimentaryism makes sense in the context of Masculine & Feminine as principles BUT Egalitarism makes sense in the context of physical sexes/Women & Men.

But you, Poopy, are a pig who hates anything female & what I have just proposed is something that'll go over your head. You see, the feminine brain is such that it can think of many things at once. I can see shades of grey & things at different levels & points of view....which is a good thing. Men can have this ability, too & some women lack it but male & female brains do have subtle differences in structure & cognition.....all the more reason for EQUALITY!

VIVE LE DIFFERENCE...working together as a balanced team!

6/28/2012 8:47:10 AM

Berny

Flawed patriarchal argument is flawed.
Not all women were disinterested in politics, they were told to shut up by men. You need to get out of your misogynist shell a bit more.
Try reading "Vindication of the Rights of Men" and "Vindication of the Rights of Woman" by Mary Wollstonecraft. She wrote them following the French Revolution.
Also, "capitulation to Islam" is not a liberal ideal. Unlike right-wingers we don't feel the solution is to kill them all.

6/28/2012 8:49:34 AM

John

But what do they mean by "equality"? Do they mean that women are, in general, equally prone to being politically and economically informed as men?

No. They mean being politically and economically informed has nothing to do with your genitals (unless that's what you're using for brains ...).

6/28/2012 8:58:16 AM
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