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I have found that analytical people (like me) can raise a pretty high wall against the truth of the Lord’s Word.

One way to help them to hear His Word is to put a couple of plausible cracks in that wall.

Pre-med students should understand that it is impossible for amino acids to form proteins in the presence of oxygen so there must have been no oxygen in the atmosphere when the first proteins were formed.

In an atmosphere with no oxygen there is no ozone. With no ozone there is ultraviolet light bombarding the earth’s surface destroying anything that resembles proteins.

Therefore the only evolutionary conditions that would allow proteins to form would destroy them.

It requires a huge amount of faith to believe that this impossible situation would allow proteins to form. And even more faith to get random proteins to form cell structures and magnitudes more for these to form life.

There are many of these “Impossible Evolutionary Situations” available if required but the main point is:
They may be more open to a solution that doesn’t require such super human faith as evolution. Creation is a fantastic candidate. The love of God & gospel message soon follow.

AtroposHeart, RR 43 Comments [6/28/2012 3:25:01 AM]
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whatever

Yes, any scientific principles that you have failed to connect together are solid proof that God did it.

6/28/2012 4:06:00 AM

The_L

The third paragraph is correct. However, the rest is just laughable.

6/28/2012 4:10:39 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Is that so? Now suppose those early proteins weren't at the Earth's *surface*. Now what?

6/28/2012 4:12:37 AM

Pule Thamex

Good point. When you put it like that it does give me pause for thought. It seems far more plausible that an invisible entity with a beard grabbed some dust from His newly magicked world and ...er... breathed life into it and it turned into a man. What a loving thing to do.

Love His night-time fairy lights by the way. What a nice touch. It's all starting to make sense now.

Hurry up with that gospel message, I'm feeling all converty. Supernaturalism here I come ...er soon.

6/28/2012 4:37:10 AM

Ebon

No, it still takes more faith to believe that your magic daddy conjured everything into existence.

6/28/2012 5:11:26 AM

Mister Spak

"Therefore the only evolutionary conditions that would allow proteins to form would destroy them. "

Except for the experiments with protienoid microspheres where they existed quite happily under UV light. You fail analytically.

http://ncse.com/creationism/analysis/excursion-chapter-1-origin-life


"They may be more open to a solution that doesn’t require such super human faith as evolution."

Except it is impossible for a universe creating god to form out of nothing in the absence of light, so the conditions needed to form a god didn't exist until after said god created light.

6/28/2012 5:48:37 AM

Arctic Knight

Hmm, let's see, the amino acids first formed a rudimentary form of algae which began to utilize the gasses in the atmosphere, processing them and expelling oxygen, much in the same way that algae and plants do today....after a long period of time, the oxygen levels were such that other life forms were able to evolve to utilize the oxygen in the air.

Oh look at that, the supposed "crack" you tried to put into the "wall" never materialized.

6/28/2012 5:49:40 AM

Doubting Thomas

So... it makes more sense that some magical, all-powerful being just poofed the universe into existence, then made people out of dirt even though he knew that he'd end up hating a lot of them for being gay or just not believing in him?

6/28/2012 6:17:11 AM

markb

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the ocean bottom is pretty well protected from UV light by all that water. Also, no, there was no oxygen before there were plants to produce it because oxygen is an unstable element.

6/28/2012 6:38:00 AM

Sentry Gun

"It requires a huge amount of faith to believe that this impossible situation would allow proteins to form. And even more faith to get random proteins to form cell structures and magnitudes more for these to form life. "

Yes, a huge amout of faith. Or liquid water. Whatever.

6/28/2012 7:40:31 AM

Mystik Spiral

Wow! I wonder why AtroposHeart's "findings" have yet to be published in a scientific journal? I mean, he DOES have an analytical mind, after all.

P.S. - AtroposHeart... I don't think the word analytical means what you think it means.

6/28/2012 7:47:27 AM

freako104

That's because we ANALYSE the "word of god" against sciene, history, geography, etc.

6/28/2012 7:55:31 AM

Berny

You still haven't proved your proposition is the correct one. Even if evolution was found to be fatally flawed, and this would be done by scientists not fundies, it would still not validate Creationism since it has zero scientific evidence in its favour.
Fortunately, your flawed arguments have solutions that you have overlooked. Sucks to be you.

6/28/2012 8:39:50 AM

ScrappyB

Water filters out UV light, you idiot. There was lots of water on Earth at the time. Besides, what does any of that have to do with evolution? Evolution makes no claims about how life began.

Later on in the thread, another raptard recommends giving the friend a Chick tract. Like that's going to convince anyone with even a passing knowledge of evolution.

6/28/2012 8:43:57 AM

John

With no ozone there is ultraviolet light bombarding the earth’s surface destroying anything that resembles proteins.

But no one thinks abiogenesis happened at the earth' surface. Little UV penetrates more than a dozen yards into the ocean.

6/28/2012 8:54:39 AM

Mechanical Engineer

I'm a little rusty, but I believe the old rule of thumb was it takes 1 inch of water to block 100% of UV light.

So... umm... primordial soup sounds right and doesn't take any faith, other than faith in my memory skills.

6/28/2012 9:35:08 AM

The Duelist

Hilarious. Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of the first organisms, that is abiogenesis. Plus, most scientists think that the first molecules formed in the oceans, which has anoxic zones, and not the surface. Do your research, and next time get your facts straight before you start blathering.

6/28/2012 9:42:11 AM

nazani14

You're assuming that all amino acids originated on Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murchison_meteorite

6/28/2012 10:08:34 AM

D Laurier

And if those ammino acids are under a couple feet of water?
Hey look... No UV penetrating deep enough to harm the first proteins...
No faith required.

6/28/2012 10:12:37 AM

ScrappyB

Even if they find life had to have started on the surface, there are places on the surface where light never reaches. Caves, for example.

@ Mechanical Engineer

No, it's definitely much deeper than that. A lot depends on the water clarity and chemistry, but 90% of the UV light is lost within 20 feet in ocean water.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/UVB/uvb_radiation3.php

6/28/2012 10:14:07 AM

anevilmeme

Oh look, someone taught it just enough buzz words that it thinks it's clever.

6/28/2012 10:19:24 AM



maybe proteins formed within the tiny gaps between layers of mica ?

that would make your objections irrelevant.


6/28/2012 10:28:22 AM

Ludd

Yes, your hypothesis that an invisible man waved a magic wand and created life is so very plausible. Now instead of bellyaching about how much you hate the idea of abiogenesis, how about providing some answers. Just once I'd like to see these Creationist nutbags explain the biochemical process that Yahweh used to turn mud into a sentient being. Also the processs he used to turn a male rib into a fully formed human female. Oh that's right, they don't explain anything because they believe in magic.

6/28/2012 10:29:18 AM

checkmate

The love of God & gospel message soon follow.

Which in turn are followed by hypocrisy, guilt, bigotry, intolerance, hate, envy, superficiality, egotism, gullibility. and loss of self-respect.

6/28/2012 12:40:53 PM

Old Viking

Let's give this person a break. In Fundyland this is, indeed, analytical thinking.

6/28/2012 2:24:37 PM
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