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Number one issue: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. The First Amendment was put in to protect the church FROM the state, never the other way around.
Remember, the wording says, "Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion" period! There are no indications of any restrictions on our religious liberties found in ANY of our founding documents. A letter sent to the Danbury Baptists, in reply to their inquiry about whether or not there would be a STATE church like England had, was clearly stated by Thomas Jefferson that there would be no such denomination. Freedom meant that the state would have no control over mankind's worship in America. A bogus supreme court case many years ago got the atheists foot in the door and every case since has been based on a BLATANT LIE. This happens when church leaders sit on their hands and hold their tongues when blatant lies are allowed to become law.
The same is true on Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton allowing the wholesale MURDER of unborn CITIZENS of this nation. 53,000,000 babies have been slaughtered in butcher shops called abortion "clinics" across the USA.
When will the church of Jesus Christ have enough intestinal fortitude to end these lies? The vast majority of pastors in this land REFUSE to talk about abortion from their pulpits. Falwell and Kennedy were two heroes in our time on this issue, but sadly their voices are silent since they graduated into heaven. There are still a few voices out there fighting the good fight but they are few and far between.
Has life become so cheap that we can kill a child for about $350.00, often paid by tax dollars. Planned Parenthood gets over $300,000,000 yearly under the guise of women's health. HOGWASH!!!
This issue cuts my heart out and I will, with my dying breath, continue to cry out for the life of the unborn.
How long will the wrath of God be withheld when their blood cries out from the earth? He judged Israel for this very thing, shedding innocent blood.
Our liberties are challenged on a daily basis. What will be attacked next? This decision will be challenged before long, but we will never hear of other world religions being throttled in the same way.

Ike Riddle, OneNewsNow 42 Comments [6/29/2012 2:55:50 AM]
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Aspergus

How can the church be protected from the state unless it's also the other way around? If we're going to have freedom of religion, then logically we must also have freedom from religion.

6/29/2012 3:14:35 AM

Filin De Blanc

"He judged Israel for this very thing, shedding innocent blood."

Um, God commands Israel to shed innocent blood countless times in the Bible. Have you actually read the thing?

6/29/2012 3:18:52 AM

Tempus

The first amendment was added to protect people like us from people like you.

Fuck. You.

6/29/2012 3:21:25 AM

Philbert McAdamia

How long will the wrath of God be withheld when their blood cries out from the earth?

Dang, but the pro-choice folks have had your puny God by the balls for a long time, and with man's laws, to boot.

Number one issue: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

Number one isssue: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOD.

6/29/2012 3:28:00 AM

Raised by Horses

Now, allow me TO continue capitalizing THINGS at RANdom.

6/29/2012 3:33:52 AM

Darkevilme

stop quotemining your own constitution you arsehole.

the full text reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." and it's the first part I want you to pay attention to.

6/29/2012 3:58:15 AM

michael3ov

"He judged Israel for this very thing, shedding innocent blood. "

Except when he actually ordered them to slaughter innocents and every one else except a few virgins.

6/29/2012 4:05:32 AM

michael3ov

"Remember, the wording says, "Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion" period!"

No I don't remember. Another case of lying for jesus.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Don't worry about the "making no law respecting an establishment of religion" part. Your ignorant right wing buddies will never notice.

6/29/2012 4:09:21 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Fail history much liar?

6/29/2012 4:10:30 AM

Mudak

You have a very twisted definition of "freedom" if it means being able to deny others the same freedoms you enjoy.

6/29/2012 4:11:33 AM

Leighton Buzzard

"Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion" period!

I see. So Muslims can marry three wives and set up Sharia courts, yes?

6/29/2012 4:37:58 AM

Table Rock

I would say something witty but I'm just not in the mood.

Shut up and stop your whiny, temper tantrum. Then take a Valium and go to bed.

6/29/2012 5:01:23 AM

Stonespiral

Sometimes I wish there was a way to simulate the experience, like with a 'The Matrix' hook up, and let these people really experience what a theocracy you have no control over is like. Your sect might not be the ones in control in the end.

I'd also like that system to make them see and feel what back alley abortion was like before Roe v. Wade, and how horrifying things really used to be for women in unfortunate situations.

6/29/2012 5:07:30 AM

Reynardine

Stonespiral, back alley abortions are quite what these types like, since they were painful, often fatal, and frequently left those who lived sterile, thus adequately punishing women for having twats and thereby irresistably tempting men to deposit semen in them.

6/29/2012 5:37:03 AM

WWWWolf

> Remember, the wording says, "Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion" period!

No, it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", semicolon.

In other words, they won't hinder your worship, but won't fucking endorse it either. Otherwise, you'd just end up whining because some other church was declared the official Christian state church.

6/29/2012 5:41:34 AM

Mister Spak

"The First Amendment was put in to protect the church FROM the state, never the other way around. "

No, the first amenedment was put in to protect the state from the church, not the other way around, thus establishing a wall of separation between church and state.

"Our liberties are challenged on a daily basis. What will be attacked next?"

The truth is being attacked in your post.

6/29/2012 6:06:56 AM

Doubting Thomas

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. The First Amendment was put in to protect the church FROM the state, never the other way around.

WRONG! Not only are you wrong, you are totally wrong. You are as wrong as you can be. The First Amendment both protects churches from the government and the government from churches.

Remember, the wording says, "Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion" period!

I guess you forgot about the part which says "respecting an establishment of religion" which proves that you're wrong about not protecting the government from religion. Guess you decided to willfully leave that part out.

Freedom meant that the state would have no control over mankind's worship in America.

Which means that people who don't want to worship are also free to not do so. It doesn't mean that Christians are the only ones with protected rights.

A bogus supreme court case

How can a Supreme Court case be bogus?

we can kill a child for about $350.00

Funny how pro-life people always seem to know the going rate for abortions. I wonder why that is? http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

often paid by tax dollars.

Bullshit. Congress passed a law preventing tax dollars to be used to pay for abortions.

He judged Israel for this very thing, shedding innocent blood.

So you admit that God kills innocent people? Why would anyone want to worship such a monster?

Our liberties are challenged on a daily basis.

Yeah, I just read about government agents shutting down churches all over the country and throwing Christians in jail. Er, wait, no I didn't. Look, not allowing you to persecute people you don't like is not religious persecution. Freedom has to work for everyone, not just a select few.

6/29/2012 6:17:02 AM

Pup

Didn't the Treaty of Tripoli pretty much clear up and confusion you guys had over the whole establishment clause?

6/29/2012 6:46:01 AM

Apatheist

I don't get this line of thinking. I don't think the founders had the idea of a one way membrane between church and state.

6/29/2012 6:48:15 AM

Brendan Rizzo

I hate it when they quote-mine the Constitution...

Unfortunately, even the Americans who are not fundies believe this, which is why "In God We Trust" is our national motto, "Under God" is in the pledge of allegiance, and why the Supreme Court does not enforce the Establishment Clause anymore.

6/29/2012 7:15:58 AM

Nagol

Maybe you should read ALL of the first amendment before you show the world your stupidity, unless you're lying about it, which is a sin. It clearly states that Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. Also, a fetus is not a baby. When it's legal to abort it can't feel anything, it hasn't even developed enough to be able to think. Maybe you should get angrier about real children around the world who are abused or go hungry every day. Then you might actually do some good in the world. I should also note that your god has commanded his followers to kill innocents many times in the bible, and he would sometimes do the job himself. The fact that you worship such a sociopath speaks volumes about you.

6/29/2012 7:24:12 AM

John

The First Amendment was put in to protect the church FROM the state, never the other way around.

Exactly. It protects your religious beliefs from the government by forbidding the government to favor anyone's religious beliefs - yours or mine.

When will the church of Jesus Christ have enough intestinal fortitude to end these lies?

In a democracy, that's what the voting booth is for. What you want is a theocracy where your particular religious beliefs get put into our civil laws independent of the will of the voters. Reread the first part of your own post.

6/29/2012 7:26:53 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

No, it doesn't. It starts "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", which means that religion cannot be part of the national laws.

6/29/2012 8:27:27 AM

JSS

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

Ah, no. Wrong. Oh, and caps lock doesn't make you anymore correct.

"Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion"

Only partially right this time. Let's look at the full text...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Congress is forbidden to promote laws specifically favoring your religion. Funny you should omit that bolded part, then again conveniently omitting parts of our founding documents is typical of religious fascists isn't it?

6/29/2012 8:30:15 AM

Berny

If you assholes hate abortion so much than why do you always stand against initiatives to teach sexually active individuals about proper birth control. Abstinence only programs do not work and invariably result in increased teen pregnancies (and more abortions as a result).
You'd have to be an idiot not to make the connection.

6/29/2012 10:40:52 AM
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