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Number one issue: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. The First Amendment was put in to protect the church FROM the state, never the other way around.
Remember, the wording says, "Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion" period! There are no indications of any restrictions on our religious liberties found in ANY of our founding documents. A letter sent to the Danbury Baptists, in reply to their inquiry about whether or not there would be a STATE church like England had, was clearly stated by Thomas Jefferson that there would be no such denomination. Freedom meant that the state would have no control over mankind's worship in America. A bogus supreme court case many years ago got the atheists foot in the door and every case since has been based on a BLATANT LIE. This happens when church leaders sit on their hands and hold their tongues when blatant lies are allowed to become law.
The same is true on Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton allowing the wholesale MURDER of unborn CITIZENS of this nation. 53,000,000 babies have been slaughtered in butcher shops called abortion "clinics" across the USA.
When will the church of Jesus Christ have enough intestinal fortitude to end these lies? The vast majority of pastors in this land REFUSE to talk about abortion from their pulpits. Falwell and Kennedy were two heroes in our time on this issue, but sadly their voices are silent since they graduated into heaven. There are still a few voices out there fighting the good fight but they are few and far between.
Has life become so cheap that we can kill a child for about $350.00, often paid by tax dollars. Planned Parenthood gets over $300,000,000 yearly under the guise of women's health. HOGWASH!!!
This issue cuts my heart out and I will, with my dying breath, continue to cry out for the life of the unborn.
How long will the wrath of God be withheld when their blood cries out from the earth? He judged Israel for this very thing, shedding innocent blood.
Our liberties are challenged on a daily basis. What will be attacked next? This decision will be challenged before long, but we will never hear of other world religions being throttled in the same way.

Ike Riddle, OneNewsNow 44 Comments [6/29/2012 2:55:50 AM]
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Actually you left a few words out of that first amendment. It goes: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Yeah see that first part where it says it shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion? That's the separation part you deny so much. Also roe v wade has nothing to do with religion despite how much you like to link the two together.

6/29/2012 11:18:12 AM

checkmate

When will the church of Jesus Christ have enough intestinal fortitude to end these lies?

"Intestinal fortitude"? Are you trying to say, "guts" or "crap"?

How long will the wrath of God be withheld?

I'm afraid you'll have to ask God about that. He's the one holding out on you, not anybody else. If he's not reacting, then he'll have his reasons. Who are you to question him?

Shame on you.

Come to think of it, isn't questioning God's actions a sin? Have fun in Hell!

6/29/2012 2:20:20 PM

John_in_Oz

It's shameful the way Christian women are forced to have abortions against their will!

Wait, what?

6/29/2012 2:49:20 PM

nazani14

How many crack babies, microcephalic babies, babies with congenital heart defects, etc., etc. have you adopted?

How many women have you supported financially when they could no longer work due to pregnancy, or paid for their maternity leave?

How many deadbeat dads have you tracked down and forced to support their kids?

Throwing a pack of diapers under your church's "giving tree" once a year really doesn't amount to squat.

6/29/2012 2:58:44 PM

Agahnim

Move to Iran instead of denying the first freaking amendment to the Constitution of the United States. And refrain from calling yourself patriotic or calling anyone else un-American until you do that or join the 21st century.

6/29/2012 4:03:19 PM

Seeker Lancer

Stupid moron you can't protect religion from the state if the state supports a specific religion.

6/29/2012 4:41:45 PM

Canadiest

This is what they do, cherry pick one segment and claim it overrides all others. They do this with the Constitution and with their Bible.

The Constitution itself has at least a couple more defining point that declare religion doesn't rule and there are many admendments, done shortly after, that make it clear religion does not rule the nation.

Then there's all that lying shit you just spouted off showing how you've been culted into bullshit.

6/29/2012 7:23:16 PM

Old Viking

If you can't quote the amendment accurately, tell me again why I should pay attention to you.

Oh, and there are no babies being killed.

6/29/2012 7:55:39 PM

Polymeron

Clearly I just need to randomly CAPITALIZE words to make it abundantly clear that my points are INARGUABLE and cannot be contested on ANY factual grounds.

6/29/2012 11:40:24 PM

Quantum Mechanic

liar


6/30/2012 12:09:11 AM

anonymous #42

#1. Read the bible. God loved killing babies and a person didn't count unless it was a. male and b. over a month old.

#2. You're retarded. How can we protect the church from the state when we don't do vice versa??

#3. God doesn't care if you are innocent or not, if you follow the established laws or not, all that matters is that God likes you.

TL;DR Go read your bible again.

6/30/2012 12:23:27 AM

anonymous #42

@checkmate

Ike appears to have tried for "internal fortitude" and missed by a long shot.

6/30/2012 12:39:03 AM



"The First Amendment was put in to protect the church FROM the state, never the other way around."

If true, then you must allow ALL religions into the State... because if you don't, one of the religions in the state WILL use the power of the state to oppress the ones outside the state.

In other words, because you fucknuts cannot be trusted to refrain from getting into yet another religious fight and dragging the state in with you, you have to be kept out of the state... which is why your claim cannot be right.

6/30/2012 9:58:03 AM

Vman

SHOUTING does NOT a good ARGUMENT make.

6/30/2012 2:08:18 PM

Fundies Make Me Sick

Establishment Clause. That is all.

You know what? That's not all. Also, religion cannot interfere with the government's ability to carry out its functions or interfere with the civil rights of the populace, so YES, it does work the other way around. The church cannot entangle itself with the state.

6/30/2012 2:11:04 PM

FinalArbiterOfMyMorality

Ya know, everybody seems to be focusing on his (mis)quoting the 1st Amendment, and ignoring his mention of the Danbury Letter. The same letter that states: "... thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." (emphasis mine), thereby contradicting his point entirely.

7/9/2012 11:32:26 AM

Crimson Lizard

Another male shedding crocodile tears for the children he'll never have to carry, risk his life by giving birth to, or even financially support.

Ten bucks says this sanctimonious twatwaffle has six children, all by different mothers, none of whom he bothers to support... after all, it's the stupid whores' fault for getting themselves pregnant! God knows he couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it!

*deep breath* Sorry, but I hate males who think they have the right to deny women a choice they themselves will never have to make.

12/13/2012 11:45:43 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Ike never heard of Tom Jefferson.
lol

5/30/2014 1:08:14 AM

Swede

Didn't one of the Founding Fathers write in a letter that the meaning of the first amendment was to "put a wall of separation between church and state", something like that? The Founding Fathers did this, as they had seen what havoc the Church of England had wrecked back in the Old Country.

Embryos are not citizens, stupid; you don't become a citizen until AFTER birth. According to the Bible, you weren't even counted among your people until 40 days later (as so many newborn die shortly after birth). The "babies" that are "slaughtered" are less than one inch long, on average, and most are flushed out using medication.

Maybe the vast majority of pastors in that land REALIZE that abortion is a medical procedure, not a religious matter.

I'm not even American and I still know that tax-dollars can't be used for abortions (but I bet they can be used for Viagra). Abortion is just 3 percent of what Planned Parenthood does. Most of their work IS focused on women's health. Late abortions are almost always done to save the health of a woman.

Abortions have been done for hundreds of thousands of years, ever since the first proto-human realized that certain plants dislodges an embryo from the womb. If the wrath of God has been withheld for that long, I bet he can withhold it just a leeetle bit longer... Btw, can you present chapter and verse from the Bible where abortion is prohibited?

Why don't you try to help new-born children in the third world instead? They are sentient, feeling human beings, and many of them are starving to death right now, or dying from preventable diseases.

The most hated religion right now is Islam, numbskull! Muslims are hated, vilified, discriminated against, attacked and killed, throughout most of the Western world. Now you HAVE heard of other world religions being throttled, maybe not in the same way, but in a similar way. Besides, fundie Muslims are even more against women's rights than you fundie Christians are.

5/30/2014 1:37:04 AM
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