Quote# 88079

But now that we're 40 years past Roe v. Wade, many of us can see that the abortion agenda never was about "our pregnant daughters" at all. And it wasn't about creating a more fair, equal society. It was, at root, about sexual freedom with no consequences. A freedom that has cost an entire generation of children -- roughly 53 million babies to date -- their lives. And for what? Now that Social Security is in its death throes, one could argue that having 53 million more young adults in America right now might have been a good thing for all of us. That cursed hindsight.

By contrast, the LGBT agenda hasn't been fully realized -- yet. They say they want equality, fairness, civil rights. It's about sexual freedom, but it's really about state-sanctioned sexual freedom, one that will create a whole new definition of morality and civilization. That's a big change, one that will be nearly impossible to reverse. So it's about more than shrugging your shoulders about the two nice guys down the street who want to be married. It's also about accepting that, if homosexual couples are allowed to marry in the United States, the state -- as it has in the case of our newly "open" military --takes the official position that homosexuality is morally right. If you're a Christian family who believes that God was telling the truth in Romans, Chapter 1, you're the intolerant one under the new morality. And you'll have to be dealt with, in ways we have yet to see.

We do have an inkling of what's ahead, though, as seen in places like the U.S. military and some college campuses. When homosexual "rights" are recognized, religious rights -- guaranteed in our First Amendment -- are trumped. Even Equal Employment Opportunity Commission appointee and radical lesbian Chai Feldblum has said that when homosexual rights and religious liberty come into conflict, ā€œIā€™m having a hard time coming up with any case in which religious liberty should win.ā€

And don't forget that once the American public accepts that we must legally recognize a homosexual's "civil right" to marriage, how can we long deny those same "civil rights" to polygamists and polyamorists? Don't they have "love?" Don't they deserve "equality?" Look for those dominos to fall, too, probably more quickly than any of us can imagine.

Janet Mefferd, The Janet Mefferd Show 40 Comments [6/30/2012 5:12:02 AM]
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Okay, personally, polyamory and polygamy are not my cup of tea, and I'm not exactly gay, but... care to explain how exactly will polygamy and same-sex marriage hurt the society in the long term? And no, don't rush to quote the Bible (considering that it has plenty of polygamy in it, wouldn't be terribly prudent, anyway) -- facts, please.

We're waiting. We're also waiting for the disastrous effects of interracial and same-sex marriage (in other countries, where it's been legal for a decade or so) to manifest themselves. Scary, ooooh!...

Oh, yeah, also, 53 million unwanted kids (a good portion of which never would've made it anyway, plus killed their mothers) would definitely add to the well-being of this nation, considering that the US population is now over 300 million and continues to grow. We all have fantasies, I know.

6/30/2012 11:37:40 AM


how can we long deny those same "civil rights" to polygamists

I really don't understand why fundamentalist christians are against polygamy (even though "polygyny" is actually more what they mean).

The Bible's full of it, in both testaments, so it's obviously God's will. You'd think the fundies would be fighting for it with knives and fists.

6/30/2012 1:08:20 PM


Marriage is not being re-evaluated really, it's still two consenting adults, who promise to spend their lives together, as long as we both shall live.

After all, no Religious Right person has ever divorced his or her spouse, right? Right? Oh, that's right; Newt Gingrich served his wife the divorce papers while she was more or less dying of cancer.
That's True Family Values for you, Ms Mefferd.

Ms Mefferd, you have the right to live your life as you see fit, as long as it doesn't harm someone or inflict with someone else's right to live his or her life as s/he sees fit. Your rights end where the next person's begins, ya know.

Ask China and India what they think about 53 million more babies. You are the third most populous country in the world, and you can actually do something to NOT reach a billion people. Sweden was 85th on a list for 2008 and we still feel that it's getting kinda crowded in places... Perhaps not in Norrland, where there's like one person per square kilometer, but Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmoe are definitely crowded. (However; London, England, has about as many inhabitants as all of Sweden.)

6/30/2012 1:25:06 PM


Ironic how they are all right with denying life-saving treatments to poor people in the name of liberty, ain't it?

6/30/2012 1:43:11 PM


You talk about "Sexual Freedom" like it's a bad thing. Sorry, Janet...but SEX IS GOOOOOOOOD!

6/30/2012 1:45:27 PM

Fundies Make Me Sick

Why abortion is legal: Personal autonomy and right to privacy.

Why gay marriage will eventually be legal: Consenting adults.

Learn it, accept it, move on.

6/30/2012 1:56:20 PM

Doubting Thomas

it was, at root, about sexual freedom with no consequences.

Really, what's wrong with that? Is it really so bad if two people want to get their freak on without having to care for a child for 18 years?

6/30/2012 3:07:37 PM


good to see that most comments are along the lines of "... and your point is?"

my view too. and regarding polyamory and different "menages" (poly -gamy and -andry) if they're fair on all concerned, i wish it'd be more tolerated instead of assuming the classic "omg cheating/sluts/sex-crazed/it's not real love" stance of today. you know, REAL equality between all consenting adults, even if i'm more a "friends" guy than a "loving couple" guy. what can i say? relationships are complicated.

6/30/2012 3:11:18 PM

Old Viking

Fundy Rant No. 17B.

6/30/2012 3:26:51 PM


Janet' & her ilk are just resentful of folks enjoying life.

6/30/2012 11:18:39 PM

anonymous #42

a. Abortion has helped keep the criminal population down. b. Why do I always see this 53,000,000 number and do you have a source for it? c. You cannot possibly think having more young adults right now would be a good thing, can you? As a young adult struggling with this horrid economy, I think 50+ million more people than we have NOW would be a horrible, horrible situation to be in. d. "Waah! My SS checks might stop coming!!" Grow up! YOU should've held the companies you work for accountable for killing your chances of having an actual retirement instead of relying on the government to take care of you.
a. There is nothing wrong with homosexuals wanting the same rights YOU already enjoy. b. You're already intolerant, hateful and spiteful. The government recognizing someone else's rights have nothing to do with it. c. How stupid do you have to be to base your morals on a 1600 year old book anyway?
a. You're retarded. b. The bible recognizes and condones polygamy. (Polyamory not so much but only because that would mean women would get to enjoy multiple partners, too.) c. Even if your slippery-slope argument was true, so what? What harm does it do you? I bet you're just jealous.

7/1/2012 12:19:20 AM


I too have an agenda.

Bring on the hate, nancies :P

7/1/2012 7:40:53 AM

10% of those babies would have grown up gay, you do realise this?

7/1/2012 7:45:44 AM

its not so organized, but basically yeah.
and its not harming anyone.

7/2/2012 11:23:19 PM


"It was, at root, about sexual freedom with no consequences."

I kind of always thought that's what birth control was about. By the way, the Pill was around at least 10 years prior to Roe v. Wade.

"...one could argue that having 53 million more young adults in America right now might have been a good thing for all of us."

Keep in mind that many of those 53 million young Americans would currently be jobless because the economy has tanked, so they wouldn't exactly be paying into the Social Security system. And student debt, which is already at about $900 billion, would be well over a trillion dollars and growing.

"...how can we long deny those same "civil rights" to polygamists and polyamorists? Don't they have "love?" Don't they deserve "equality?""

Isn't polygamy (at least) biblically sanctioned? I've always kind of wondered why polygamy's not legal. That probably has more to do with the cultural traditions Western Europe inherited from the Greeks and Romans than it does with the Bible and religion. Anyway, even back in the days when it was an acceptable practice, most people still only had one partner.

7/17/2012 2:26:35 PM

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