Before abortions were legal we had a pretty good world. We had people who invented different machines that made life easier and scientists who discovered many new vaccines and new antibiotics there were many great musicians and singers. There was crime too that has always been with us but it wasn't as in your face as it is today. People were nicer and had better manners and most went to church every Sunday. I know I really liked my life then. I remember being so shocked when abortions became legal no one thought it would it was considered so barbaric to kill babies in the womb. The best we could get from our politicians was don't worry your taxes will never go to murder babies so much for their promises today we do pay for them even though we don't want to. Our country really starting changing after that and really changed once those 60's hippies turned into politicians. There was also the new drug culture too. When I was growing up and in my teens I never knew anyone using drugs in fact even in college I didn't at first and then stayed away from anyone later if I found out they were. Things changed slowly at first but these past 15 yrs I have seen massive changes in life styles of the average person. Many no longer even believe there is sin or a moral way to live instead it is live and let live. The last 10 yrs has shoved the gay life styles down our throats and forces us to deal with them even if we don't want to. Now they want to pre select what kind of baby they have. They want to weed out what they consider to be defective or of the wrong sex. I am glad I'm getting older because if the end isn't soon I will be closer to going home by death because I really am having a hard time living in this crazy world we have today. We do still have the power of prayer and I guess I would rather have that than any other type of power.
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"Before abortions were legal we had a pretty good world."
Yeah, if it's all the same to you, I'm going to stop reading your post and just say that correlation does not equal causation.
"The last 10 yrs has shoved the gay life styles down our throats and forces us to deal with them even if we don't want to"
I love how this is almost an outright statement of "damn, I'm being forced to deal with reality! Stop that!"
Sorry you don't like your life, but as someone who is probably your age and was pretty observant the while, I'd say you've got plenty of post hoc, ergo propter hoc, non sequitur, ignoratio elenchi, and just plain malicious lying going for you.
"Many no longer even believe there is sin or a moral way to live instead it is live and let live."
"Live and let live," is immoral to these people.
This is a great example of someone remembering their childhood and not understanding how much crap was being kept from him at that time. Thus, he thinks the 50s were better. Actually, they sucked, and sucked hard. Racism, Wars, Joblessness, Disease. Everything existed just like today, sometimes worse, sometimes a little better, but all there.
"We do still have the power of prayer and I guess I would rather have that than any other type of power."
You surprise me. I thought you'd have gone for a power that would be less detrimental to its wielder. Prayers, like many other forms of fantasy, bounce off reality, rebound back into the brain of the mutterer, thereby mashing his or her valuable grey matter.
We know this to be true because we can observe praysters all around us noisily turning into stupid idiots.
To imagine that they will all be gone ...er... soon is a forlorn hope and something of a happy fantasy in itself.
Still, as long as they don't pollute the gene-pool too much.
From Wikipedia
Main article: History of abortion
Induced abortion has long history, and can be traced back to civilizations as varied as China under Shennong. (c. 2700 BCE)
you lose.
From Wikipedia
Main article: History of abortion
Induced abortion has long history, and can be traced back to civilizations as varied as China under Shennong. (c. 2700 BCE)
you lose.
Short version: "I'm very, very, very, very old, even older than actual chronology should permit."
People have always been having abortions, since the first humanoid found out that certain plants removed fetuses. The only thing that changed with "official" abortions was that it became safe to have one, you didn't risk your own life while removing a potential life that would ruin yours.
The gays want to pre-select what kind of baby they have? Don't they gays have a pretty hard time getting themselves pregnant? Why would they want to be picky about it?
Maybe I have lived a sheltered life, but I have never seen anyone doing drugs around me, and I was born in the sixties (sure, in the very end, but still...). I have never had any "gay life style" shoved down my throat. Sure, a few friends of mine are gay, but why should that bother me?
I wish that I was able to "weed out...defective or of the wrong sex". But that God of yours hasn't allowed me to keep any pregnancy beyond 11th week. Believe me; I have prayed and cried and prayed again, but to no avail.
Before abortions were legal we had a pretty good world. We had people who invented different machines that made life easier and scientists who discovered many new vaccines and new antibiotics there were many great musicians and singers.
Um, we still have that.
Also, all that bad stuff you mentioned still happened, it was just hidden better back then.
Remember the good old days? We didn't have new fangled things like the internet. If we wanted people to know what we were thinking, we had to tell them! And we like it! If we wanted porn, we had to go to a store and buy it. If we wanted music we had to go to a record store. And we like it! Blah, blah, things were so much better in the old days.
Don't know if this guy noticed, but we're still building things and creating vaccines. In fact, there was one that fundies wanted banned because they thought it would encourage promiscuity. More vaccines have their research halted because "STEM CELLS R TEH EBILS!!!!"
"We do still have the power of prayer and I guess I would rather have that than any other type of power."
Cool, so when they're handing out superpowers, we'll all choose useful stuff like flying, invisibility, super-strength or speed, and you'll say..... "I'd like the power of prayer, please."
Before abortions were legal we had a pretty good world.
Yeah. Then Ronald Reagan did a $120 billion tax cut without cutting spending and we ran up a $120 billion deficit for the next decade. Then G. W. Bush did a $400 billion tax cut without cutting spending and we doubled the National Debt. Lesson: pay your own bills; don't just borrow the money from the Chinese.
I also remember during that time we feared being nuked by the "red scare", just finished off a world war where slaughtering civilians was an acceptable compromise to knocking out a small factory....only to get into another war right away where kids were being killed and no one knew why. Yeah, them 50's were wonderful when you were a kid just like every decade after has been because you parents are the ones that deal with the burden, not you.
"Before abortions were legal we had a pretty good world. [...] There was crime too that has always been with us but it wasn't as in your face as it is today."
Funny, Steven Levitt of Freakonomics fame argued that legalised abortion was responsible for the dramatic reduction in crime of the 1990s on. So much so that the states that were late to legalise abortions saw their crime rates drop last.
http://www.freakonomics.com/2005/05/15/abortion-and-crime-who-should-you-believe/
Whether the link between crime and abortion is true or not, at least Levitt provides actual data, and isn't just relying on unsubstantiated anecdote and emotional appeals to nostalgia.
"We do still have the power of prayer and I guess I would rather have that than any other type of power."
Personally, I'd be happy for you to have only the power of prayer too. So isn't it a bit strange that the religious right seem to value just about every other type of power more than that of prayer?
I mean they all claim to trust in the Lord, so why bother with political, financial or military might when you have the ear of the most powerful being in existence?
I agree with his point on abortion. However, pre-1960s America does not look nearly so rosy if you are black or a member of another minority group. I've found that 9 times out of 10, the people who idolize the 1950s are white. You rarely ever hear black commentators making statements like this. Abortion is immoral, but so was institutionalized racism and substandard living conditions for a large chunk of Americans who are never featured in shows like "Leave it to Beaver."
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Yes, things were better back then when safe abortions were only available to rich white girls who had a family doctor who knew how to shut up about it.
Actually, I think that whole internet business and the information industry and explorer vehicles on Mars and cell phones and most everything we use every minute of every day came about AFTER abortion was legalized.
"Before abortions were legal we had a pretty good world."
Then, suddenly, abortion was legalized . All inventors immediately commited suicide, and all great musicians and singers abruptly and irrevocably lost their talents and foreswore musicianship in favor of promulgating muzak. Kids went from saying things like "gosh" and "gee, willikers" to "fuck you, mom", and the Earth was riven by conflict.
I've said it before, and I'll surely say it again: "Leave It To Beaver" was not a documentary.
Do you know what happened to the birth rate in 1973-74?
Before apples were illegal we had a prety good world. Yeah, Buddy - the zeros. Them were the days. It's been all downhill since then.
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We do still have the power of prayer and I guess I would rather have that than any other type of power.
As long as you aren't after any real power, I guess we're safe.
@His4Life:
We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say.
Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
"I really am having a hard time living in this crazy world we have today."
What is something everyone over 60 says, Alex?
That's correct, we would have also accepted; What are fantasies of an America that never existed?
Glad someone already referenced Freakonomics.
But even if correlation isn't causation here, one simply cannot argue that violent crime has gotten worse since the time when those aborted babies would have been coming of age, and be intellectually honest.
Victimless "crimes" like pot-smoking, gambling, and prostitution only bother fundies, so I really don't care if those have gotten "worse".
Now, I like the 1930s - 1950s. The music was cool, and at first, so were the outfits. However, the politicians of the 1950s were raving lunatics. People lived in fear and were controlled. As for the modern world? I like our clothes, I like our music (well, some of it). Sure, there's drugs out the ass, but if you don't wanna be apart of the dope show, you don't have to be. Even musicians that get a lot of flack really deserve respect (I know I harp on this a lot, but Marilyn Manson, especially). I get this guy's an old man, and that's why I can't hate him. He's stuck in his ways, and there is no changing that. That said, I don't like him, either. Still, I hope he lives out his life being harmless and dies in his sleep peacefully.
I suppose that you never heard of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Attila the Hun, Genghis Kahn, Nero, ....
Thing were so perfect before 1973. DOLT!
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