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(A libertarian fundie for a change)

A rejection of health care egalitarianism, namely a recognition that the wealthy will purchase more and better health care than the poor. Trying to equalize health care consumption hurts the poor, since most feasible policies to do this take away cash from the poor, either directly or through the operation of tax incidence. We need to accept the principle that sometimes poor people will die just because they are poor. Some of you don’t like the sound of that, but we already let the wealthy enjoy all sorts of other goods — most importantly status — which lengthen their lives and which the poor enjoy to a much lesser degree.

Tyler Cowen, Crooks & Liars 72 Comments [7/1/2012 1:28:08 PM]
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HappyGazpacho

I...
but...
what?

6/29/2012 5:56:44 PM

J. James

Yes, the general attitude seems to be that improving the country's healthcare and extending it to the poor is what will FUCKING DESTROY AMERICA.

Not the Civil War, or the Great Depression, or the World Wars, or nuclear annihilation. None of these things were powerful enough to destroy America.

Nor were Communist, Keynesian administrations such as FDR, Eisenhower and Reagan.

No, what will ultimately DESTROY AMERICA is giving healthcare to the poor by mandating that no one cheats the system. How could our country possibly survive such an onslaught?

7/1/2012 1:48:16 PM

Karana

How does getting everyone to pay tax to give everyone healthcare somehow make more poor people die from lack of healthcare? This is contradictory.
They will get healthcare when they couldn't before.

And how does status lengthen your life?

7/1/2012 1:48:36 PM

Serph-no-Okami

I think the whole point is to change that in ways that are feasable and humane. How hard is that to see?

7/1/2012 1:52:00 PM

Damen



You, sir, are a shithead.

7/1/2012 1:52:27 PM

OhJohnNo

Dafuq? No they don't.

7/1/2012 1:54:26 PM



Ah yes, trickle-down healthcare...

Because the rich who have access to cleaner living conditions, better food, and clean drinking water would require so much more healthcare than the poor who do not.

7/1/2012 2:17:08 PM

werewolf

You never know, guillotines could also come back in fashion.

7/1/2012 2:53:50 PM

Metallic Space Dragon

Definitely a classic case of the libertarian "I've got mine, screw you!" mindset. Not all of us think that having the wealthy "enjoy all sorts of other goods" is right. I certainly don't when it comes to health care.

Typical libertarian douchebag.


7/1/2012 3:00:04 PM

Often Partisan

Sick fuck.
I seriously try to avoid posting stuff like FOADIAF, but seruoisly? FOADIAF!

7/1/2012 3:02:13 PM

SaneTeenageNerd

Wait, you're actually admitting you're a giant asshole?

7/1/2012 3:18:12 PM

Reynardine

Feeling Randy, are you, Tyler? Thanks for sharing it with us.

7/1/2012 3:27:24 PM

breakerslion

"but we already let the wealthy enjoy all sorts of other goods — most importantly status — which lengthen their lives and which the poor enjoy to a much lesser degree."

So... ego ... and having one's ass kissed prolongs life? Fuck my low-fat diet! I'm going to act important from now on!

7/1/2012 3:42:58 PM

ThatOneGuy

"but we already let the wealthy enjoy all sorts of other goods — most importantly status — which lengthen their lives and which the poor enjoy to a much lesser degree."

You say that like it's a good thing.

7/1/2012 3:43:24 PM

Old Viking

People have a lot of nerve being poor in this country anyway.

7/1/2012 3:47:27 PM

N. De Plume

…since most feasible policies to do this take away cash from the poor, either directly or through the operation of tax incidence.

Uh, don’t medical bills and insurance premiums take cash away from the poor?

7/1/2012 4:14:26 PM

Skatepunk

And this the main reason why a Libertarian is sometimes your best friend, and at other times your worst enemy!

7/1/2012 4:31:48 PM



the idea of poor people dying in what is arguably the richest country in the world is to me obscene.

Spend part of the money wasted in pet projects of our politicians, and cut the military busget and there will be money for healthcare.

why pay millions for a jet fighter that will beat a russian plane that was never built ? and which crashes regularly.


7/1/2012 4:53:47 PM



@ karana

"And how does status lengthen your life? "

the wealthy can go get the best medical treatment when they want it, as well as lower stress and better nutrition. Used wisely they should live longer and better lives than the poor.

7/1/2012 4:55:54 PM

N. De Plume

Originally posted by #1418720

the wealthy can go get the best medical treatment when they want it, as well as lower stress and better nutrition. Used wisely they should live longer and better lives than the poor.


Too bad there are so few folks with wealth and status that actually use it wisely.

7/1/2012 5:14:16 PM



What a shit person.

7/1/2012 6:53:12 PM



Argument 1: Rich people will purchase more and better health care than poor people

Argument 2: Offering affordable health care hurts the poor because now they HAVE to buy it

Argument 3: It's OK if poor people die from lack of health care because rich people live longer due to the benefits of being rich anyway


Logically shoddy? Check.
Callously inhuman? Check.

What are the words I'm looking for? OH! "Fuck you"...the words I'm looking for are "Fuck you"

7/1/2012 6:57:02 PM



Tyler, would you be advocating this if you were a poor person on the brink of dying?

7/1/2012 7:39:52 PM

shykid

I knew you folks thought this way, but I didn't expect to see of one of you have the nads to come out and admit it.

People like you absolutely boggle my mind. I don't at all understand how you people tick. I'm not sure if I really want to. I don't want to become a monster. I'd give a complete stranger the shirt off my back, the shoes on my feet, and even the glasses on my face without a second thought if he needed them more than me. The thought I'd look down on him with disgust and contempt makes me physically ill. It feels instinctively, viscerally wrong on a level I can't describe.

7/1/2012 7:41:12 PM

OpticalDelusions

"
Yes, the general attitude seems to be that improving the country's healthcare and extending it to the poor is what will FUCKING DESTROY AMERICA.

Not the Civil War, or the Great Depression, or the World Wars, or nuclear annihilation. None of these things were powerful enough to destroy America.

Nor were Communist, Keynesian administrations such as FDR, Eisenhower and Reagan.

No, what will ultimately DESTROY AMERICA is giving healthcare to the poor by mandating that no one cheats the system. How could our country possibly survive such an onslaught? "

J. James, I very much intend on quoting you here.

7/1/2012 8:10:26 PM
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