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Jessie....religious marriage yes is very sacred, but when you and others of homosexuality forces the traditional marriage to become equal for the same-sex couples, how do you consider marriage to be sacred then? How do you consider that to be equal when traditional marriage is not equal to same-sex marriage? How does that qualify as equal? Everyone has those same equal rights now, but you are asking for special rights and you are discriminating against those who sees this type of agenda as unnatural, unhealthy, and demoralizing .

Seperate but equal, we do not wish to be second class citizens. Tell me Jesse, who made their decision to be a transgender, homosexual, bisexual, and so on. You and the homosexuals made your own decision to become this way, we didn't force you to become one. Yes, there were circumstances that lead to this, but in all you yourself made that decision to live your life that way. So it is yourselves that have and made you feel like second class citizens, we didn't put you there; you did. So don't be blaming others for what you decided to do with your life. So why should you have those same benefits from marriage when it wasn't set up that way in the first place.

Coleen Beisheim, OneNewsNow 58 Comments [7/13/2012 8:16:28 AM]
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#1423190

CleverScreenName

I'm trying very hard to parse this, and I'm repeatedly failing. As far as I can tell, she's saying, "You say gay marriage is equal to straight marriage, but it's not equal, so how can it be equal?"

Or maybe I'm parsing it just fine.

7/13/2012 8:52:39 AM

#1423194

Leighton Buzzard

Only Real True Christians can get married, part 375.

7/13/2012 8:58:50 AM

#1423196

Brendan Rizzo

I would think that marriage would be more sacred when it is not unequal.

7/13/2012 9:01:04 AM

#1423198

Doubting Thomas

how do you consider marriage to be sacred then?

I would think that the sacredness of an act or institution would be up to what each person thinks about it, not based upon other people's participation in it. My marriage will be sacred to me and my wife regardless of whether Bob and Ted in another state are legally married or not.

Seperate but equal

Because that worked so well in the 50's. Now they're not even trying to pretend that gay marriage isn't about civil rights. I just hope they can live with being on the wrong side of history.

7/13/2012 9:02:24 AM

#1423201

RiJayden

"So why should you have those same benefits from marriage when it wasn't set up that way in the first place."
-Why should you be able to pick your husband if it wasn't set up that way in the first place?
-Why should you be able to marry a different race, if it wasn't set up that way in first place?
Same stupidity, wrapped differently.

7/13/2012 9:04:49 AM

#1423202

Imp

"Everyone has those same equal rights now, but you are asking for special rights and you are discriminating against those who sees this type of agenda as unnatural, unhealthy, and demoralizing . "

Oh noes, discrimination against people who discriminate?! How awful!

I don't really get how gay marriage is a "special right" when straight marriage isn't. They aren't asking for more than straight people already have there.

7/13/2012 9:04:54 AM

#1423203

Darwin

Yes Coleen, there is a homosexual agenda. And here it is: To be allowed to live just like everyone else.

Hope that doesn't scare you too much.

7/13/2012 9:04:54 AM

#1423217

"who made their decision to be a transgender, homosexual, bisexual, and so on."

No-one does... no more than anyone ever decided to be human.

"You and the homosexuals made your own decision to become this way"

See above...

7/13/2012 9:30:33 AM

#1423219

Sasha

But if the gays and lesbians can get married just like me, then I won't be special anymore!!

7/13/2012 9:40:14 AM

#1423220

Lizuka

I don't get why none of these people seem to get that it wouldn't be a "special right," and if desired they or any other straight person could also marry someone of the same sex.

7/13/2012 9:43:11 AM

#1423223

emau99

Seperate but equal, we do not wish to be second class citizens.

"Separate but equal"...seems I've heard that phrase somewhere before. Oh, that's right--segregation. How did that work out, again?

Who the hell is trying to make YOU second class citizens?

7/13/2012 9:48:23 AM

#1423226

Ebon

I could switch up a couple of words and this would literally be straight from an anti-interracial marriage speech.

And gay people don't choose to be gay, dimwit. That was categorically proven nearly four years ago.

7/13/2012 10:01:46 AM

#1423230

dionysus

Coleen....marriage yes is very sacred, but when you and others of Christianity forces marriage to become equal for the Christian couples, how do you consider marriage to be sacred then? How do you consider that to be equal when marriage is not equal to Christian marriage? How does that qualify as equal? Everyone has those same equal rights now, but you are asking for special rights and you are discriminating against those who sees this type of agenda as unnatural, unhealthy, and demoralizing .

Seperate but equal, we do not wish to be second class citizens. Tell me Jesse, who made their decision to be a Catholic, pentacostal, baptist, and so on. You and the Christians made your own decision to become this way, we didn't force you to become one. Yes, there were circumstances that lead to this, but in all you yourself made that decision to live your life that way. So it is yourselves that have and made you feel like second class citizens, we didn't put you there; you did. So don't be blaming others for what you decided to do with your life. So why should you have those same benefits from marriage when it wasn't set up that way in the first place.

Fixed. Not that the fundies would see what the point I'd be making is but it should at least cause them to flip out, further exposing their hypocrisy.

7/13/2012 10:12:12 AM

#1423241

JSS

You chose completely to be a homosexual and have feelings towards the same sex, therefore you should be discriminated for it.

Now me, I plopped out of the birth canal with a fundamentalist religionist bigoted mindset.

7/13/2012 10:34:42 AM

#1423242

Matante

Coleen, I think I know you. You were THAT kid. That kid who received an ice cream cone from her mom, and immediately threw it to the ground screaming that her little sister's was bigger.
It's just sooooo unfair if someone else gets the same thing as you isn't it? You can't enjoy it if it's not unique to you!

Actually she's probably not that kid. Because that kid had to sit there with no treat while the sister ate her own ice cream, and probably figured out that pointless raging jealousy didn't end in profits.

7/13/2012 10:35:30 AM

#1423250

John

how do you consider marriage to be sacred then?

The word "sacred" is meaningless outside a set of religious beliefs. Your religion can define anything it likes to be "sacred" - including heterosexual marriage - but it doesn't mean everyone else has to agree with you. Do you consider the black stone in Mecca to be sacred?

So it is yourselves that have and made you feel like second class citizens, we didn't put you there; you did.

It's not their actions that are the problem. It's your reaction to them. If I punched you in the nose, would accept the argument that it was your own fault for not moving your nose? Why should gays change their behavior to stop people like you from picking on them?

7/13/2012 10:52:39 AM

#1423251

religious marriage yes is very sacred

Except when religion is not involved in marriage at all. It's still sacred but not in the same way that Coleen believes.

who made their decision to be a transgender, homosexual, bisexual, and so on

When did you, Coleen, decide to be heterosexual? Or religious? Or a female?!

7/13/2012 10:59:12 AM

#1423252

Deep Search

So in other words, they're saying they don't want to be perceived as "lessers" because that's the queers' place. The gays can be the second class citizens because it would be *so unfair* for the good christians to be on the same level as the gays, apparently? Gosh.

Or, no, really what they're saying is they're homophobic and want to stomp on the rights of anyone who isn't like them because they are hostile, intolerant, and dickish. When did this ass canoe exactly choose to be straight? She would certainly need to choose to be in a hetero relationship. Also she definitely chose to be a christian asshole who blames and discriminates against others.

And, yeah, any group of people who didn't have rights "set up that way" for them in the first place better not ever expect change. No voting, choosing your spouse, or owning land for you, Coleen.

7/13/2012 10:59:58 AM

#1423254

Fedup

"but when you and others of homosexuality forces the traditional marriage to become equal for the same-sex couples"
Have they replaced grammar with religion in our public school systems?

7/13/2012 11:12:17 AM

#1423260

nazani14

America's Best Christian takes time to explain to less informed Christians the curious details of the Lord's concept of marriage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

7/13/2012 11:22:22 AM

#1423262

Zagen30

Jessie....religious marriage yes is very sacred, but when you and others of homosexuality forces the traditional marriage to become equal for the same-sex couples, how do you consider marriage to be sacred then?

But the topic of all this conversation is about civil marriage, not religious marriage, and there's no language about sanctity in civil marriage. We have no-fault divorce laws that allow a married couple to end their marriage for no other reason than "it wasn't working and we want to end it."

And if we turn to religious marriage in more accepting religions, I fail to see how a gay couple living by all the vows that they swore to each other is any less sacred than a straight couple doing so.

How do you consider that to be equal when traditional marriage is not equal to same-sex marriage? How does that qualify as equal?

Please prove it's not equal before claiming it's not. Saying it's not equal because it's not equal is circular reasoning, and unlike that one quoted person from a few days ago, circular reasoning is not valid logic.

Everyone has those same equal rights now, but you are asking for special rights and you are discriminating against those who sees this type of agenda as unnatural, unhealthy, and demoralizing .

In states that allow gay marriage, any pair of consenting adults who are not too closely related can marry each other. Yes, you, a (presumably) heterosexual woman could marry another woman in Massachusetts. They don't conduct some test to make sure you're really gay and not just pretending.

You also need to prove that this "agenda" is unnatural, unhealthy, or demoralizing to anyone but you self-centered bigots who can't bear to be wrong or have your interpretation of the Bible be ignored. And in the US court of law, quoting the Bible does not count as proof.

7/13/2012 11:25:33 AM

#1423263

Aspergus

Everyone has those same equal rights now, but you are asking for special rights...

If you're gay, you cannot marry the person you love; if you're straight, you can. How is that equal in any sense of the word?

...and you are discriminating against those who sees this type of agenda as unnatural, unhealthy, and demoralizing.

And yet it's okay for you to discriminate against us. You demand exemptions from equal rights laws on account of your religious beliefs, and we're the ones asking for special rights.

...who made their decision to be a transgender, homosexual, bisexual, and so on.

I don't know. Who did make that decision? Sexual orientation/gender identity is not a choice.

You and the homosexuals made your own decision to become this way, we didn't force you to become one.

But you made the decision to be a Christian, and yet it's alright for the law to bend over backwards to accomodate your lifestyle choice?

So it is yourselves that have and made you feel like second class citizens, we didn't put you there; you did.

Yes, people would actually make the decision to claim an identity that would relegate them to a lifetime of being discriminated against and despised.

7/13/2012 11:26:36 AM

#1423278

JohnTheAtheist

I question the sexual orientation of anyone who thinks that homosexuals simply choose to be gay. Anyone who is truly straight would know that there is no choice in the matter. I would like to know when Colleen chose to be straight.

7/13/2012 12:14:19 PM

#1423282

Papabear

You can feel your marriage is as sacred as you want. I, as an atheist, feel marriage is a serious pledge and agreement between two people, but not sacred, yet I can get married. As all the credible evidence shows that homosexuality is NOT a choice, why do you allow my non-sacred marriage, but not theirs?

P.S. Please show proof that homosexuality is "unnatural, unhealthy, and demoralizing."

7/13/2012 12:26:02 PM

#1423288

Dayvan Cowboy

Tell me Coleen who made the decision to be a stupid ignorant hateful zealot cunt, you and the fundamentalist made the decision to live your life that way. So why the hell do we have to listen to you?

7/13/2012 12:44:09 PM

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