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Myu toenails protect my toes. People who have wisdom teeth use them to chew. My wife likes my body hair. And what's the evolutionary explanation for the fact that humans acquire body hair at puberty? Its not a derived characteristic, since apes don't have it. Whatever the evolutionary explanation is, it will work for a theistic one.

And again, vestigal organs are not proof of evolution, but rather devolution. Something function was lost after creation.
And the fact that we don't know the purpose of some genes doesn't mena that a purpose doesn't exist. Now they'vwe found that lots of there pseudogenes really make RNA that doesn't code make proteins, but rather control various functions. And the whole arguement from vestigal is a religious one, not a scientific one. The arguement is "why would
G-d creat something that serves not purpose?" But if the rules are that no religious explanations are allowed, then religious questions shouldn't be allowed either.


Now, if a development with interdependant parts can evolve so easily, then why can't plasmodium evolve resistance to quinine, or a way around sickle cell disease? That's Behe point, supported by the empirical evidence. And how something with interdependant parts evolve anyway, when it doesn't work unless all the parts are there. I know they suggest functional intermediates, but they ahven't really explain how the intermediates could function.

Anonymou, Torah Philosophy 54 Comments [7/13/2012 8:20:34 AM]
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CleverScreenName

...apes don't have body hair?

7/13/2012 8:31:10 AM

hatless

This is Chewbacca, livin on Endor with the Ewoks. Now, that does not make sense!!!

7/13/2012 8:34:02 AM

SZD

So, what this guy is saying is that proof of evolution is really theistic proof?

Really?

7/13/2012 8:39:45 AM

Mudak

Class, here is an excellent example of what they call "begging the question." As you can see, the author of this particular post has a pre-conceived conclusion (in this case, that we were intelligently designed and that biological change is moving towards some higher goal or purpose) and then interprets select examples intended to prove his argument.

It's kind of like saying, "Because I have a penis, I have the right to get laid."

7/13/2012 8:41:46 AM

breakerslion

"The arguement is "why would G-d creat something that serves not purpose? "But if the rules are that no religious explanations are allowed, then religious questions shouldn't be allowed either.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

"Tits on a Nun, Balls on a Priest, and these damn Pissants!" - Punchline to old joke, set up with, "Name three things that God made that are useless."

7/13/2012 8:52:24 AM

Doubting Thomas

Its not a derived characteristic, since apes don't have it.

Adult silverback gorillas grow silver fur on their backs, the juvenile ones don't.

And again, vestigal organs are not proof of evolution, but rather devolution.

They tell us that
We lost our tails
Evolving up
From little snails
I say it's all
just wind-in-sails
Are we not men?
We are Devo.

7/13/2012 8:52:38 AM

Brendan Rizzo

I guess Jewish Philosopher isn't the only idiot on that board.

Even though these are all PRATTs, I feel obligated to at least cursorily mention why these examples do not disprove evolution:

1. Toenails don't really protect one's toes, in fact, the toenail on my right little toe has been ripped off. My toe is fine.

2. Wisdom teeth cause more harm than good; that's why people have to get them removed. They chew their food just fine without them.

3. Ever heard of sexual selection?

4. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DEVOLUTION. When an organ loses its necessity, keeping it is just a waste of energy, so it is advantageous to get rid of it.

As for Plasmodium evolving to overcome sickle-cell anemia, judging from what I've heard about how sickle-cell anemia wards it off, that would be as futile an endeavor as human beings somehow evolving to breathe unprotected in deep space.

7/13/2012 8:56:32 AM

Darwin

"Whatever the evolutionary explanation is, it will work for a theistic one."

Well, DUH! Of course it works, no matter what anyone discovers you can always scream 'GOD DID IT!'

But would you be correct?

7/13/2012 9:02:30 AM



"But if the rules are that no religious explanations are allowed, then religious questions shouldn't be allowed either."

Translation: "If I can't use my religion as an answer, then you can't question my religion."

7/13/2012 9:06:01 AM

dfmfundies

I know they suggest functional intermediates, but they ahven't really explain how the intermediates could function.

IOW, they've explained how it works, but they haven't explained how it works.

Got it.

7/13/2012 9:07:14 AM

hatless

<-- dupe post -->

7/13/2012 9:12:46 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

Is it just me or does it seem like Anonymou might have been fairly drunk when he made this post?

7/13/2012 9:21:57 AM



Contrary to popular opinion, evolution isn't necessarily progress; it is simply adaption to a somewhat chaotic world. Of course, you are afraid of change and want everything to be stagnant. No good can come from that line of thinking.

7/13/2012 9:22:57 AM

Martha Jones

Wisdom teeth are needed for chewing? Bullshit. Almost all the time, they're needed for removal because over the generations, the human mouth has gotten steadily smaller due to the way our food is being produced- we don't chew as much. My mother needed hers removing, and I probably will too, if they ever stop being impacted.

7/13/2012 9:48:17 AM

Ebon

Dude, were you fucking high when you posted this?

7/13/2012 9:57:52 AM

Meeeh

My toenail clippings are smarter than you!

7/13/2012 10:10:37 AM

dionysus

Whatever the evolutionary explanation is, it will work for a theistic one.

So no matter how well scientists explain a phenomenon you'll simply say "God did it"? Well, at least you're being honest. Well, not intellectually, but at least verbally.

7/13/2012 10:22:46 AM

Slave to Uni

"People who have wisdom teeth use them to chew"

Yeah? Then why do so many people need to get their wisdom teeth pulled? It's because our jaws are much narrower today than they were millions of years ago when our ape-like ancestors had jaws similar to the other great apes. This change in the human skull was due to a little thing called evolution.

Your statement is both asinine and offensive because you're actually proud of your ignorance. Go crack a biology book Captain Fucktard.

7/13/2012 10:27:27 AM

J. James

What an imbecile. Sickle cell disease IS evolving in the first place among third world countries as it confers resistance to malaria, which is a higher survival imperative than the effects of the disease.

And wisdom teeth ARE useless and vestigial, just like he coccyx and the appendix(which were once a tail and a cecum, respectively). And your hair is vestigial too, as are the tiny muscles that make it stand on end for insulation and/or intimidation, we know them as goosebumps. There are vestigial muscles in the ear that used to move them around like a deer's... I could go on and on and on.

Not to mention all the DNA evidence. It can't be a coincidence that it lines up 100% perfectly with the fossil record of evolution.

7/13/2012 10:27:44 AM

John

Whatever the evolutionary explanation is, it will work for a theistic one.

Of course. Once you claim there's a God who can do anything by magic, it becomes impossible to disprove any silly thing you want to invent. You can even claim that the whole universe was created last Thursday, complete with false memories of a history that never happened. If God can do anything with a snap of His finger, who could prove you wrong?

On the other hand, there's a serious theological objection to claiming God does everything by magic: it either makes God a mechanical puppet whom we can control, or it makes us mechanical puppets controlled by God. Few religions accept either one.

The alternative is to assume that God, if He exists and does anything at all, uses automated machines - what we call "natural forces" - which once set in motion, operate without His direct hand. An example would be gravity. Even the craziest fundamentalist doesn't honestly believe that every time you drop something God reaches down and pushes it to the floor with an invisible hand.

7/13/2012 10:34:33 AM

Deep Search

Well what *is* god's supposed explanation for underarm and pubic hair? Did god think that hair there was fashionable or kinky or what...? Does god have pubes???

This guy really loves to go in circles, it's dizzying. Any rational explanation is a "god did it" explanation? Wow. And you can't use facts to ask why then would god create something useless because that's using reason to question religion and it's not allowed? Golly. Also there is no such thing as "devolution," just evolution. If you can admit that things "devolve" then you are admitting that evolution is in fact part of nature and everyday life.

7/13/2012 10:41:27 AM

solomongrundy

...why can't plasmodium evolve resistance to quinine,

Er, it can, and it took me about fifteen seconds to Google it.

Genetic Confirmation of Quinine-Resistant Plasmodium falciparum Malaria Followed by Postmalaria Neurological Syndrome in a Traveler from Mozambique (American Journal of Microbiology)
http://jcm.asm.org/content/42/11/5424.abstract

7/13/2012 10:42:12 AM

Jesus Klingon

I have hair on my nuts, praise G-d!

7/13/2012 10:50:18 AM

NonProphet

It's almost as if he's speaking... words...

Seriously, this whole post looks like it was created with a random text generator.

7/13/2012 11:09:39 AM

nazani14

Behe has Jewish followers? Bet that makes him squirm a bit.

7/13/2012 11:18:06 AM
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