If there is no God—there are no Absolute Laws—Universal Truths or Natural Rights from God. We had this ideology of Universal Truths since Plato which culminated with Christianity in American jurisprudence. Higher Law than man’s and Natural Rights from God.
Atheism creates people like Voltaire’s Atheists-—the French Revolutionaries—who did some of the grossest things in history—desecrated the dead, headless bodies and arranged them in sexual positions—Atheist humor is really Satanic and evil and full of excrement and orgies.
Lenin and Stalin and Mao’s Atheism just killed tens of millions and Hitler’s occultist/homosexual paganism killed millions. Oh goody-—such superior ideology when they kick out the Judeo/Christian God.
I would only allow Atheists to be second class citizens since they do not believe we have Natural Rights from God. As such—they are extremely dangerous and deranged because they think they can take our Natural Rights away and force unjust laws which promote Vice-—like the Godless in chief in the WH.
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I looked at this from the RSS feed, so I knew it was a savagesusie quote from the start. But even if I hadn't, I would have known it was her.
All I can say is man does she do a lot of false equivalence, she managed to make a post without saying the word "Marxist," and she needs to crack open a history book and find out why the French Revolution happened in the first place. Oh, and fuck her for saying that atheists should be second-class citizens.
Actually, Mr Dragon, by most measures in the USA atheists are certainly treated as second-class citizens, and in some cases as "no-class citizens". In this latter case, it means simply that atheists are denied the full rights and privileges enjoyed by most others in this society.
Savage Susan: "Oh goody-such superior ideology when they kick out the Judeo/Christian God."
I see that Susan has the right idea for the start of building a paradaisical society. I can hardly wait to see about the rest of her program.
@Jockaira: I know that, being an American myself. Hell, I'm usually more comfortable telling people I'm gay than I am telling them I'm an atheist. I was referring to susie here saying that we should (in her own words "only allow") be second-class citizens.
I'd maintain that, given the relative size of the populations, all the revolutions ever made never killed a fraction of the number religious fanatics like little Susie have killed and would go on killing. Meanwhile, knowing the content of her sexual fantasies is most disturbing.
@Jockaira
I'm an atheist, and I live in the deep south. I can't think of any rights, or privileges that I am being denied, as a result of my atheism. Being annoyed, offended, or inconvenienced by your fellow citizens, is a far cry from being persecuted by the government.
You do know that Plato didn't believe in your god, don't you? Plus, he died about 350 years before Jesus was born.
The ones the French revolutionaries protested against did about as much gross things as the revolutionaries did. What goes around comes around, ya know.
Stalin and Mao were worshiped almost as deities by their followers, so they were hardly atheistic states.
Hitler said he was doing God's work. Your god, to be explicit.
Most atheists believe we have human rights, due to being humans.
What are Natural Rights? The right to be forced to marry a rapist? The right be be sold into marriage by your father? The right to be stoned to death if you are raped? The right to be executed for eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabric clothes or working on the sabbath? The right to be killed because you happen to live on a piece of land that God has given to the Israelites? Are those the Natural Rights you are afraid someone is going to take away from you? Well, you can keep them...
I wonder how Suzie writes these little screeds. "Let me see, now... Nazis homos Europe Marxists French Revolution Hitler Paganism Orgies Atheists... Oh, right! I need some words in between all that, don't I?"
First, it was Robespierre who took the French Revolution off the deep end, and second, he was not an atheist.
"Natural Rights from God.
Freedom of speech: "Aphemia ("a medical term for the inability to speak)...about 1 million people (1 in 272, or .37%) people in America have this."
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080627082601AARhTjq
Right to Life: "All men are mortal."
Why- it's like these natural rights just the good ideas of human beings, and not from God at all!
P.S. I admit I'm on shaky ground with my references, butI don't expect any convincing rebuttal of the reality they describe.
Atheism doesn't preach absolute laws, unlike a religious system with a god who tells his followers not to kill yet demands a human sacrifice.
Several atheists were savages. Therefore all atheists succumb to savagery. This same argument can be used against Christians with evidence such as the Spanish Inquisition, but we'll just sweep that under the rug.
It's dangerous and deranged to suggest that anyone isn't endowed with natural rights, so let's take away the natural rights of atheists!
Yep, that about sums it up.
The problem is that even if God exists and has "absolute laws", there's no agreement about what they are, and few people follow them anyway. Most religious people decide what they want to do first, then look around for proof that God agree with them. If their actions are criticized, they cherry pick the Bible, Quran or whatever until they find something they can twist into agreement. If their priest, minister or rabbi disagrees with them, they just look for another church.
> Universal Truths or Natural Rights
*violent clanking and hissing from the intertubes*
Dammit, the old tubes are having a difficult time. I hope Susie doesn't say any more cliches.
> French Revolutionaries
*more spouting and hissing from the intertube leaks*
Shit, I think I need to go get the duct tape.
> Lenin and Stalin and Mao’s Atheism
*an intertube seam bursts and howling stream of steam comes forth, leading to a whole lot of duct-taping*
Damn! If Susie says "Marxism", this whole thing will probably blow up. Let's hope things don't go that far.
God seems to have some absolute laws, such as:
1. Gravity;
2. The Second Law of Thermodynamics;
3. Boyle's Law;
4. A few others of Hers I could uncover, if only I could find my high school physics book.
Little Susie hasn't cited any of 'em, though, and they don't get broken.
P. S. And don't forget: God is a Cat.
"desecrated the dead, headless bodies and arranged them in sexual positions"
Actually, this was one of Sade's schticks. Read "la philosophie dans le boudoir" or "Justine ou les infortunes de la vertu" as well as his letters and cry...
Just one more detail: he was a noble and very much pro-monarchy...
which culminated with Christianity in American jurisprudence
Culminated? As in "reached its highest point"?
What's so special about American jurisprudence? Capital punishment? Putting 12 year olds in prison with adults? Chain gangs? Executing mentally retarted inmates? Sacco and Vanzetti?
Susie, if it wasn't for the Enlightenment you hate so much, mouthy women like you would be standing in the market place in the stocks and the executions you love much would still be done by quartering with horses.
Take a good look at the civilized world aroud you. You don't know shit about jurisprudence. The jurisprudence you think is the culmination of universal truths and natural rights is actually a little backward.
Let's ask Mr. Jurisprudence himself, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, what he thinks about "Natural Rights from God" as far as his inmates are concerned. Not much, I gather.
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With liberty and justice for all.
@Tempus
Perhaps you could be a bit more explicit. ;-))
I read this to read: Blahblah blah blah blah. Blah blah, of course, blah. As such, blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blahety blah.
What about all the hideous things done in the Christian middle ages under Christian kings? What about the Vlad the Impaler and Ivan the Terrible? What about the Christian crusaders indulging in mass beheadings? What about Basil II blinding 14,000 captive Bulgarians after the battle of Kleidion?
It's clear enough that the old medieval and early modern tyrants only differed from the 20th century tyrants in not having access to their more efficient mass killing methods. If they had been able to use modern military weapons and genocide techniques, does anyone really doubt that they would've used them?
No, the real culprit here is power itself, the power wielded by a hierarchy which must be obeyed blindly and not questioned, along with an "ingroup" mentality and a dehumanising of the enemy. The same process can be seen at work in things like the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, so American Christians are not immune to it. And what about the disgusting treatment of the indigenous population of the Americas by supposed Christians?
I could go on.
"If there is no Godthere are no Absolute LawsUniversal Truths or Natural Rights from God."
"The atheist preserves his reason, which checks his propensity to mischief, while the fanatic is under the influence of a madness which is constantly urging him on."
- Voltaire
Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery as the punishment of the children of Ham. Mark Twain described his mother as a genuinely good person, whose soft heart pitied even Satan, but who had no doubt about the legitimacy of slavery, because in years of living in antebellum Missouri she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
Why do people so readily believe in miracles?
For many, the regressive belief in superstitions and miracles is an escape from the hardships of life. Once trapped into irrationalism, they become more incapable of mastering reality. It is a vicious circle, like an addiction. They become vulnerable to exploitation by astrologers, godmen, dubious pseudo-psychologists, corrupt politicians, and the whole mega-industry of irrationalism.
Sanal Edamaruku president of the Indian Rationalist Association,
Let me use a phrase Christians like to pretend is relevant... If you don't like the United States, leave.
Atheists exist. We have the same rights as you. Fuck your privilege.
Atheism creates people like Voltaire’s Atheists-the French Revolutionarieswho did some of the grossest things in historydesecrated the dead, headless bodies and arranged them in sexual positionsAtheist humor is really Satanic and evil and full of excrement and orgies.
Grossest? Doesn't your vocabulary include a less childish term, susie? And sure, the French Revolution had its share of atrocities (which would have horrified Voltaire, by the way), but I am not aware of any large scale corpse desacration. Did you stumble upon some old anti-Revolutionary propaganda?
@ Reynardine:
"And don't forget: God is a Cat."
That... would actually explain a lot of things . But God seems to be lacking one of the most important feline qualities, namely cuteness!
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