[When one poster, a Holocaust survivor, said it was disrespectful and offensive to depict President Obama has Hitler.]
[T]his is only the beginning. we are trying to get people to see [Obama] is like hitler BEFORE the atrocities begin. just because he hasn't reached that stage of his plan, doesn't mean he is not like hitler. aso keep in mind that many people believe we have been committing halocaust style atrocities for years, with abortion. obama is on the front lines, waging war on our smallest, weakest, most vulnerable citizens. the numbers have sky rocketed past the numbers of the halocaust and continue o rise every day. every single awful thing that happened to your parents and grandparents happens to thousands everyday, no one is trivializing hitler or the halocaust. we have to let people know how dire our situation is now.
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The only "halocaust" here is Ms. Porter killing the English language with her bad spelling. I type better drunk than she does sober.
And no, Obama doesn't have a plan to kill anyone. He's not making abortion mandatory and even if he had such plans Congress and the media would come down on him like a ton of bricks. We still have a representative democracy, even if it has been sold to the highest bidder.
Oh, shut up, you damn holocaust survivor. It's all "Me, me, me and how I survived one of the worst atrocities in human history..". I'm trying to make some spurious accusations here!
The problem with Godwin's Law is that if you look hard enough, you can literally find things in common between any politician and Hitler. Let's go through every US president since FDR:
FDR: came into power at a time of economic crisis, charismatic speaker
Truman: ultimately made the decision to drop the nuclear bomb, which killed millions, many of whom were civilians
Eisenhower: Interstate Highway System was based on the Autobahn, deployed troops domestically to achieve federal goals
JFK: charismatic speaker, was a devout catholic
LBJ: warmongering and escalation of hostilities under false pretenses
Nixon: paranoid about his political enemies
Ford: made many decisions in the name of national unity
Carter: charismatic speaker, came into power amid distrust of the previous, ineffectual leader
Reagan: dedicated enormous resources to the military, charismatic speaker
Bush: warmongering and escalation of hostilities
Clinton: came into power during economic crisis, oversaw economic growth that was at least partially a consequence of military spending
Bush: extreme warmongering and installing fear of a religious minority, consolidation of power
Obama: came into power during economic crisis, charismatic speaker
Note that I have greatly simplified things here. There are other comparisons I chose to avoid, such as Reagan's reliance on a psychic or the fact that a particular military theory pervaded every president from Truman through Bush I.
"obama is on the front lines, waging war on our smallest, weakest, most vulnerable citizens"
You have to be born in the United States to be a citizen, and, as fetuses have not been born anywhere, they are not citizens. The weakest, most vulnerable citizens in the United States are those who live in poverty, whom liberals at least try to help.
Conservatives love to quote the proverb, "If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for the rest of his life." The Republican party though doesn't want to teach people to fish. It tells people to fish. The left tries to teach people to fish, provides them with a net, and probably gives them a few fish so that they don't starve to death while learning.
we are trying to get people to see [Obama] is like hitler BEFORE the atrocities begin
followed by
every single awful thing that happened to your parents and grandparents happens to thousands everyday,
Can't keep your story straight, can you? Also, gey in drerd, shithead.
Good Goodwin , lady! How does abortion compare to the massive killings of innocents? Whatever your stance on abortion is, fetuses don't have a conscience yet, and the men, women, and children killed in the Holocaust did , and they were being specifically targeted because of something they couldn't help that was not allowed. Last time I checked, Obama hasn't done anything to discriminate against any minority.
Seriously, stop equating everyone to Hitler. Not only is it disproportionate to people who haven't had a history of being about as cruel as he was, but it's also disrespectful to people who died.
Hitler banned abortions, he wanted as many future soldiers and housewives as possible.
Hitler focused people's hatred on already despised groups, so that he could do his atrocities without people noticing. The groups he chose were gays, Romanies, disabled people, Communists, black people and Jews. Your right-wing fundamentalist leaders are focusing people's hatred on some of these groups today, and you want us to think that Obama, who is just trying to clean up the worst of the mess left by the former president, is like Hitler. Falwell, Limbaugh and Robertson act more like Hitler than Obama. They are also white, Conservative and Christian, like Hitler was.
If you want to stop abortions, you need to inform young people of the correct use of contraceptives and safe sex, and you need to create an environment where there is no social stigma with being unwed parents. Here in Sweden, many children are flower girls/boys at their parents' wedding. Many parents don't bother to marry at all.
Oh, and please learn to spell Holocaust. Spell-checking programs are your friends, Sonja.
"How dire our situation is now"?
That's rich. Under the Obama administration, we have FINALLY just crept out of the gigantic jobs crater left over from the fucking natural disaster that was the George W. Bush administration, thanks largely to the Obama stimulus package which prevented a depression. We FINALLY got universal healthcare, joining the long list of nations that do, and every other developed country on the goddamn planet. We FINALLY have started to take income inequality and social mobility seriously again, and Obama has taken actions on these things, from extending payroll tax cuts, to cutting student loan rates, to reforming the student loan system, to signing the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, as his first act as President, no less. Under Obama, we FINALLY ended the fucking idiotic war in Iraq, and hopefully under Obama we will end the war in Afghanistan too. We FINALLY have done something about the deficit. Obama has reduced it by trillions. Americans are also paying less taxes than they have since the early 20th century, and government growth has been slower under Obama than any other President in modern history.
So yes, tell me about the "situation we're in." If Obama is Hitler to you, we need to elect your fucking Stalin or Pol Pot.
I'm not an Obama fan but the Hitler comparisons are in bad taste and disrespectful to survivors of the Holocaust. Sonja you'd do well to keep silent.
The Bush comparisons were just as bad even though he was one shitty president he should not have been compared to Hitler IMO
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@ Sonja Porter:
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Also: Things Ultra-Conservatives Hate: Everything they are told to.
The Halocaust is specifically after pwning someone with the covenant sword and then teabagging a couple of times by crouching on their head.
This quote, however, is a lollercaust.
We've been told by the morons on the Internet for the past four years that anytime now, Obama was going to establish a police state and turn the US into North Korea, or start a holocaust on whites or whatever, but four months away from Election Day, he hasn't done anything in that regard.
I wonder if that's what wingnuts mean when they claim that Obama hasn't done anything in his term.
Dear Sonja,
if Obama is really like Hitler, the Secret State Police will be knocking on your door at 4AM tomorrow morning to take you away to a concentration camp where you will be worked to death manufacturing bombs which will be used to attack Canada and Mexico.
There's an election coming up in a few months. That didn't happen in Germany after Hitler became chancellor. How do you explain that?
Long list. Got time?
First things first. Fetuses are created when a sperm penetrates the ova carried by a female. It's medical science not some mysterious miracle. Second, until a fetus can wake itself up in the morning, feed itself, poop and pee all on it's own, it takes on the characteristics of a parasite scientifically. Finally, the correlation between Hitler and anyone else you don't like minimizes the concentration camp victim's life and causes it to become marginally relevant to the pogrom he instituted.
You use the term Nazi because you think it is a fear buzzword. The more people fear, the better it is for them to be controlled and manipulated. I doubt you even lived during the 40s and saw first hand the conditions of dissenters, Jews, gay men, gypsies, and those who could not be controlled with fear. This is where you get your bang for your buck and it's disgusting, distasteful, and makes you look stupid since you obviously have no clue what the hell it means to be a Nazi. So sit down and shut the fuck up.
Ah fuck you and your fucking fetuses already...What about those untold thousands of Afghani and Iraqi civilians? Yes America has committed atrocities , but I think these god-botherers could look in another direction.
Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot, muslims don't count.My bad.
Hitler opposed abortion (the exception, perhaps, being Jewish abortions.) Seriously, there needs to be a law against people deliberately spreading known historical errors and presenting them as facts. Or at least a law requiring people to put up a disclaimer saying they in fact do not know for sure what they are espousing is correct.
Sigh....
Also, halocaust .
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Except for the fact that those who died in the holocaust were developed humans with a conscience and a desire to live. In contrast to a collection of cells or a partially developed human with no awareness or desire to live.
Do you ever think through what you say? It is not like Obama has gone out and forced woman to get abortions. It isn't even an issue I have heard him speak about much. It is the republican congress, that is supposed to be "focused like a laser on jobs", that is trying to take away the protected rights of woman to make decisions about their own bodies.
"obama is on the front lines, waging war on our smallest, weakest, most vulnerable citizens."
That's why he passed that healthcare bill, so he could privatise social security and pull the plug on grandma.
Granted I have my opinions on abortion, but Obama isn't forcing women to have abortions against their will.
I would seriously like to see the statistics you are referencing to in the "sky rocketed" numbers of abortions during the Obama administration. I'll wait.
Right, how dare that Holocaust survivor tell you that it's not ok to compare Obama to Hitler? It wasn't like he actually met Hitler, so his/her opinion wouldn't count anyway. Only you and your like minded cohorts are so smart to see the similarities between the two. Everyone else needs to be educated on that.
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I doubt that this is why or Sonja probably wouldn't be blasting liberals, but...
There are some disturbing things about Obama.
http://www.salon.com/2012/03/06/attorney_general_holder_defends_execution_without_charges/
Obama has decreed that he can execute American citizens WITHOUT trial! Not only that but the administration uses a play on words to make this argument. The attorney general argues this isn't a violation of "due process" because there's supposedly a difference between "due process" and "judicial process".
He has also continued some of Bush's warrantless wiretapping program.
I doubt there's going to be any "Holocaust" but Obama's disrespect for the constitution and our civil liberties has convinced me that I can not in good conscience vote for him. I am voting for Jill Stein this election. If Romney wins I don't care. When both candidates oppose basic civil liberties it isn't worth voting for the "lesser evil" just over comparatively less important policy issues. Maybe if Romney wins because of dissatisfaction with Obama the Democrats will actually start acting like Democrats in 4 years.
They posted on that page that Ayn Rand said that the smallest minority was the individual, and that individual rights are minority rights. Which I agree with.
I replied by posting that she also said that Christianity was the perfect 'kindergarten' for communism. My comment got removed.
Minority rights, much?
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