Creation supporters have no problem with science...it is the evolution supporters that do. Were it otherwise, they wouldn't have to use the courts to impose their religion upon the rest of us.
btw - isn't that a violation of the 1st amendment? Seems to me that the government is establishing a religion by forcing our kids to be indoctrinated into a belief system that is a pack of lies.
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Assertions like this one leave me just sputtering with indignation. As I've said before, the fundies are the ones who lied, tricked, and bullied their unscientific nonsense into science classrooms against constitutional law; and now they have the gall to complain when champions of education, science, and constitutionality take the only recourse left to them, and the proper response to the fundies' illegal acts: the courts!
As to the assertion that creationists favor science more than evolutionists, let's just take a look at the science journals and see what sort of ratio there is for creation-friendly articles vs. evolutionary ones; it is a ratio of 0:1 (i.e., entirely the latter, none of the former), so this guy's statement is in stupefying opposition to reality.
Mirror Award seconded!
~David D.G.
You, sir, are a fucking idiot.
The court's ruling was simple: Science can be taught in science class. Religion cannot. Evolution is science, creationism is not (nor is its thinly-disguised cousin, intelligent design).
Mirror Award isn't a bad idea for this one, though there may be better examples.
Of course creation supporters have no problem with science...as long as they get to define it like they have in Kansas. (Oh, and as long as the evidence doesn't contradict the bible about the age of the earth, the fossil record, the origin of species, the flood, etc....ah, fuck it! Creationists hate science).
I wish that I had studied the human mind, so that I might know how this mirroring works.
I have seen so many people write what would be profound insights into their own situation, if only they were not directing them at others.
Surely he meant to bind that with a pair of parens, like so:
"Seems to me that the government is establishing a religion (by forcing our kids to be indoctrinated into a belief system) that is a pack of lies."
Right?
Further, the reason that science teachers need to use the legal system to get I.D. out of their classrooms is that the I.D. supporters have moved unilaterally to get it into the classrooms in the first place. If the Dover area school board had actually, you know, consulted the people who elected them, then perhaps they wouldn't have said "Students will be made aware of gaps/problems in Darwinfs theory and of other theories of evolution including, but not limited to, intelligent design. Note: Origins of Life is not taught.". Perhaps they wouldn't have all been voted out in the next election. If that were the case, then this would all be moot.
The one legitimate gripe I can see about the whole Dover thing is that the statement they would have required teachers to read was actually fairly mild. They don't seem to have been requiring that I.D. actually be taught in class, just mentioned.
I wonder what the world will be like 200 years from now when all those free conservatives die, and free conservatives is left in the dust, and one day someone just finds it and goes there after a search engine.
I wonder what that person will say.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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