So if I accept the theory of Gravity, I'm a Gravitarian?
What does Evolution have to do with morality? Or God, for that matter. Plenty of people believe in God but accept Evolution as a valid scientific theory.
Has Evolution somehow become synonymous with athiesm for these people?
1/4/2006 11:23:32 AM
The Last Conformist
1) Does not follow.
2) Newsflash: Conscience is *not* the fear of divine punishment.
3) That plain doesn't make sense.
1/4/2006 12:39:15 PM
The Great Chuck Norris
1. What about the humanist athiests
2. There is no moral absolute truth, and if there was, what makes you think humans are smart enough to know them
3. So what?? Crusaders were christian, *gasp* christianity is false.
1/4/2006 2:34:05 PM
Talk about projection! I am convinced that if all the fundies were to lose their faith in God, this world would see the greatest bloodbath in history. Many of these people seem to think that they would have no reason to be anything but psychotic barbarians if they didn't believe in God, so they expect that everyone else is just like them in that respect.
Well, surprise, folks: Many of us can, and do, conduct ourselves according to a positive absolute morality with no consideration of an afterlife whatsoever. We try, for the most part, to do what is right for the simple reason that it IS right. What is so hard about that to understand?
Just because YOU need to be bribed and/or threatened into morality does not mean that everyone else does.
1/4/2006 3:56:54 PM
1) Believing or disbelieving in the theory of Evolution does not make people bad or good. This is just an example of fundies being too lazy to consider people on their own merits so they assign them into groups of good and evil based on what they agree with or disagree with.
2)Xians are like a kid with a rotted tooth - each time he feels pain when he bites into a cookie he declares it a bad cookie and throws it away. They claim moral superiority over all \"ungodly\" people and when one of their own does something immoral (like priests and children) then they fall back on the line \"they were not a true follower in their heart\". My point being that there are plenty of xians in high places doing plenty of bad things.
3)Or for easier understanding replace \"evolutionist\" with \"satanist\" so you can paint the world in colors of black and white and not have to use your brain to figure anything out. Labels are so handy for that.
1/4/2006 4:28:17 PM
1) Bullshit. I believed in God for years after I learned about evolution. It was, ironically, debates with cretins like yourself that made me see the light.
2) Also bullshit. Atheists are no less capable of morality (and, if posts like yours are any indication, far more so) than fundies. It's pretty simple - don't hurt others.
3) And the Crusaders were fundies. Your point? (BTW, Godwin's Law has now been invoked. You lose.)
1/4/2006 4:30:06 PM
\"Hitler was an evolutionist.\"
This is a consequence of evolution? I must not have read the part of the theory that said if it existed Hitler would believe in it and do bad things.
1/4/2006 4:31:03 PM
Actually, Hitler believed that The Aryans were created by God and other races evolved. So that's not quite true.
1/4/2006 7:51:40 PM
I don't want to do any pilage, certainly. Sounds uncomfortable.
1/4/2006 10:05:57 PM
I invoke Godwin's Law. The debate over Creationism vs. Evolution is hereby over, with the Creationists forfeiting.
1/4/2006 11:33:50 PM
The Great Chuck Norris
But Darth, the Nazi Party was, If I recall correctly, used countless eugenics programs, and as I am sure you know, eugenics is the removal of bad genes from the gene pool by use social intervention (such as genocide, but there are also many other non-violent ways), to promote and in a way FORCE evolution.
1/5/2006 1:22:41 AM
This arguement just doesn't stop, does it, shinbits. Religious people have used holy books as a means to ignore their conscience as well. So you score 0 new converts with your assault on evolution.
To quote one of the other users:
\"Everything God does is good or loving — even if it is the most barbaric and despicable act imaginable.
If you really believe evolution leads to total lack of morals, your God is just as bad.\"- Lucretius
1/5/2006 2:32:32 AM
>>Or God, for that matter. Plenty of people believe in God but accept Evolution as a valid scientific theory.<<
It seems a bit...presumptious of \"shinbits\" to make such claims. Is HE an \"evolutionist\" (though I agree, he's using the term synonymously with athiest)? How would he know what someone else feels and values? Was he at one time an atheist who went out and raped women because he had no conscience? This entire subject is pure speculation. Unless he's GOD, because I'm sure that God frequently posts on Christian Forums.
1/5/2006 4:29:40 AM
David D.G. <<I am convinced that if all the fundies were to lose their faith in God, this world would see the greatest bloodbath in history.>>
I'm thinking, rather, that these kinds of people are putting their brains ahead of their hearts. That rather than this kind of talk being a true description of their own nature, I think they let their thinking get ahead of themselves. I think it's *really* just another side-effect of belief in God as a necessary being for \"thing X\" creeping up again.
Just as the teleological argument is an attempt to prove the existence of God by showing that He--and nothing else--is the only possible path to the obvious and amazing complexity that exists in nature, there seems to be an argument from morality, that He--and nothing else--is the only possible path to morality. This is kind of related to thanking God for your daily bread; it's not that He made the grain (though it is claimed that He did) or that He baked it, but that He made the civility that made it possible for farmers and bakers to exist.
With one's belief partially or totally based on the failure of others to explain morality, I don't think it's any wonder that some strange and desperate thinking comes out it.
But after decades of thinking strange thoughts, one *might* think one's self into crime...
1/5/2006 10:55:24 AM
\"...or murder without moral conviction.\" Because when christians murder, it's always with moral conviction, and that makes it okay.
1/5/2006 1:13:47 PM
The Nazi party was also Christian, and believed what they were doing was approved by God.
1/5/2006 9:01:25 PM
The Great Chuck Norris
True Wang, very true.
1/6/2006 10:20:41 PM
Darwin said that survival of the fittest was not survival of the strongest nor of the most intelligent, but of the most responsive to change. Hitler was wrong since he had a creationist's false idea of what evolution is.
\"I see no good reasons why the views given in this volume should shock the religious sensibilities of anyone.\" -- Charles Darwin, The Origin Of Species, 1869.
1/8/2006 10:07:40 PM
Hitler was a devout Catholic.
1/8/2006 11:32:56 PM
Hitler was an evolutionist? GOTT MIT UNS!!!
1/12/2006 7:00:53 PM
\"What other consequences will belief that all things are one rediculously freak series of coincidences lead to?\"
A realization that it is possible that some other natural occurence could completely fuck up our ecosystems, and the foresight to prepare for such an event and try to prevent precipitating one?
1/14/2006 5:26:09 PM
Someone else on the forum I was on had a title \"consequences of creation\". I thought that this was silly.
So I just started a thread with the title \"consequences of evolution\" to make a point.
The reasons I stated as consequences are not things I believe, but I had to put something, and at the same time not look like it was a pure flame.
Seems like you all got the point.
1/23/2006 3:17:47 AM
5/20/2007 7:32:43 PM
There are always consequences to every action.
There is no moral absolute. Morals are defined by society, not your imaginary friend.
Hitler was a christian, how did you miss that fact?
5/20/2007 9:51:21 PM
A) ever heard of theistic evolutionists? I don't agree with them, but they do believe in god and evolution
b) evolution has nothing to do with morality.
c) I don't need \"moral authority\" in order to behave myself.
5/20/2007 10:01:27 PM