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Tell me how and why an eyeball evolved. What came first, our immune systems or our need for an immune system? Could someone direct me to evidence of a single transitional fossil? No, not evidence of slight changes within a species, transitional fossils from one species to another. After all, there should be countless numbers of them. Please, someone give me the best 5 examples we see in nature today of something from one species that’s in the middle of turning into another. I’m not greedy, the top 5 will do. How about 1? Don’t tell me we just happen to be in a time in all the supposed billions of years of history that we can’t witness macroevolution happening. Lol.

Next time someone tells you you believe in fairy tales because you believe in the Bible tell them you’re not the one who believes a frog turns into a prince. Only evolutionists and 3-6 yr old girls believe that. :)

Hayride, Free Republic 55 Comments [7/24/2012 6:38:23 AM]
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OhJohnNo

No, only 3-6 yr old girls believe that.

7/24/2012 6:47:00 AM

Rob aka Mediancat

We are witnessing it. It just moves too slowly, in the present day, for the, um, eye to see.

7/24/2012 6:55:14 AM

gravematter

Eyes developed from photo-sensitive cells. There are tons of transitional fossils. All species are currently in the process of turning into another. It takes a really long time though, which is why you can't see it happening in most species, although bacteria and viruses are evolving much faster. Fruit flies have been caused to evolve in laboratories. Honestly, this stuff is not exactly complicated, or hard to find on the internet. If you don't understand evolution, how can you hope to argue against it?

7/24/2012 6:55:19 AM

Sporkman!

Yet another fundie who has no real idea how evolution or natural selection work...

"... frog turns into a prince."

So you're trying to tell me turning a frog into a prince is illogical, yet Moses casting 'Sticks to Snakes' via the power of god is?

7/24/2012 7:01:23 AM

Mister Spak

"Tell me how and why an eyeball evolved."

Darwin did that 150 years ago. Try to keep up.

"Could someone direct me to evidence of a single transitional fossil?"

Could you explain how you managed to miss all the evidence of multiple transitional fossils?

"No, not evidence of slight changes within a species, transitional fossils from one species to another."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lenski_results_challenge_creationism

"Please, someone give me the best 5 examples we see in nature today of something from one species that’s in the middle of turning into another. "

You show me the organisms that will exist 5 million years form now and I'll give you a hundred examples of transitional forms that exist today.

" Don’t tell me we just happen to be in a time in all the supposed billions of years of history that we can’t witness macroevolution happening. Lol."

You didn't know evolution takes millions of years? Or did you think we can watch things for millions of years? LOL.

Next time someone tells you you believe in fairy tales because you believe science tell them you're not the one who is completely ignorant of what he's talking about. Only creationists and 3-5 yr old boys are so completely certain of what they're saying and at the same time so completely ignorant of what they're talking about.

7/24/2012 7:18:19 AM

Filin De Blanc

Everything is a transitional fossil, but for the most obvious example, archeopteryx, which literally looks like a bird-lizard.

7/24/2012 7:19:04 AM

Misterboston

Give me the top 5 examples that show "God" is the best explanation for the occurence of a natural phenomenon. How about 1?

7/24/2012 7:24:00 AM

anevilmeme

Why bother? These fundie fucktards wouldn't recognize much less acknowledge evidence of it sat on their face and wriggled around.

7/24/2012 7:27:43 AM

tiktaalik

"Tell me how and why an eyeball evolved."

How: Eyes started out as light sensitive patches.
Why: In order see food and predators. In order to eat and avoid being eaten, those patches had to become better. Basically, for those with weak mutations, they died and couldn't pass along their weak mutated genes. We can observe thousands of different levels of eye evolution in nature today.

"What came first, our immune systems or our need for an immune system?"
While I'm not an expert on the subject, there are countless books written by those who are (see: the Dover trial when Dr. Kennith Miller started dropping book after book on Michael Behe on the subject after Behe made the same retarded statement you just did).

Regurgitated bullshit about transitional forms/fossils.


I picked this user name for a reason

7/24/2012 7:50:49 AM

Oh My Dog!

Why looky here!

I googled "transitional fossils"

http://www.transitionalfossils.com/

edit:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

Google is your friend.


Also,

Anything alive today is an example of a transitional form.

7/24/2012 7:50:59 AM

Ebon

"After all, there should be countless numbers of them"

There are, you just refuse to acknowledge them.

7/24/2012 8:28:45 AM

fishtank

you are an ignorant twit. :)

I suppose reading Dawkins' "the greatets show on earth" is too much work.

7/24/2012 8:30:28 AM

Penguis

Well, you see-- Heeeey. Wait a minute. Are you sure you're a fundy and not a kid tricking us all into doing your science homework for you? In any case, there is proof that selection of certain traits in living organisms leads to an eventual change in those organisms.

Why do you think every year the flu needs a new vaccine? Every year the virus adapts and changes, slowly evolving. Where do you think domesticated animals come from? Surely you don't see the various breeds of dog running around in the wild. We proved evolution ourselves by selecting traits we wished present in our animals, creating all sorts of new breeds. If we kept that up, in the long run we would eventually create an entirely new species.

One way or another, though we may believe we came from microscopic creepy crawlies, you still believe we are all made of dirt and rib bones. That's just silly.

7/24/2012 8:50:17 AM

John_in_Oz

Believing in the Bible's talking snakes, talking donkeys, demons, demon-possessed pigs, magicians, dragons, unicorns, whales that can swallow people, and a God who can be defeated by iron chariots makes so much more sense than looking up the answers on the same fucking Internet you're posting on!

7/24/2012 8:59:40 AM

nazani14


Here, you can go see the species in transition for yourself:
Biologists Find Unexpected Rapid Evolution In Caribbean Lizards
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/07/030716090941.htm

Cool Fish - Rapid Evolution, Stickleback and Evolutionary Biology in Canada
http://theelusiveguanaco.blogspot.com/2011/05/cool-fish-rapid-evolution-stickleback.html

Visual pigment diversity in two genera of mantis shrimps implies rapid evolution
http://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00194991

Super-fast evolution
The cichlid fish in the lakes of East Africa are a classic example of rapid evolution and extreme adaptation,
http://www.news.leiden.edu/news/super-fast-evolution.html

RAPID EVOLUTION OF FIRE MELANISM IN REPLICATED POPULATIONS OF PYGMY GRASSHOPPERS

RAPID EVOLUTION CAUSED BY POLLINATOR LOSS IN MIMULUS GUTTATUS
http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.php?67698-Two-Current-Examples-of-Rapid-Evolution

7/24/2012 9:06:49 AM

J. James

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it and more besides...

7/24/2012 9:08:01 AM

kasie831

The salamander genus Ensatina shows a wonderful ring species. Macro-evolution right before our very eyes. Species starts off in Northern California and Oregon and Washington, gets separated by the San Joaquin Valley as it goes toward Southern California. One population is marked with strong, dark blotches in a cryptic pattern that camouflages it well. The other population is more uniform and brighter, with bright yellow eyes, apparently in mimicry of the deadly poisonous western newt. The two populations are divided geographically, with the dark, cryptic form occupying the inland mountains and the conspicuous mimic living along the coast. Still farther to the north, in northern California and Oregon, the two populations merge, and only one form is found. In this area, it is clear that what looked like two separate species in the south are in fact a single species with several interbreeding subspecies, joined together in one continuous ring.
The division was not absolute: some members of the sub-populations still find each other and interbreed to produce hybrids. The hybrids look healthy and vigorous, but they are neither well-camouflaged nor good mimics, so they are vulnerable to predators. They also seem to have difficulty finding mates, so the hybrids do not reproduce successfully. These two factors keep the two forms from merging, even though they can interbreed.

By the time the salamanders reached the southernmost part of California, the separation had caused the two groups to evolve enough differences that they had become reproductively isolated. In some areas the two populations coexist, closing the "ring," but do not interbreed. They are as distinct as though they were two separate species. Yet the entire complex of populations belongs to a single taxonomic species, Ensatina escholtzii.

A link for the info:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html

7/24/2012 9:21:23 AM

Prager

Hayride doesnt' know what a transitional fossil is. Sad.

7/24/2012 9:28:15 AM

Berny

I could point you to all the answers you seek, Hayride, but I strongly suspect you would ignore me. Your kind doesn't really seek answers, you glory in your ignorance. That is why I firmly believe people like you should be ignored in any discussion of school curriculum, especially science.

7/24/2012 9:35:42 AM

freako104

I accept evolution as fact and I don't believe it

7/24/2012 9:45:24 AM

RinellaWasHere

I can't prove evolution works like that, because it doesn't work the way you think we know it does. It's gradual and slow, and slight changes within a species are exactly what proves it.

Rather brilliant tactic on the fundie's part, really: There's no way to prove it the way they demand because what they demand isn't remotely close to what we're saying.

7/24/2012 10:04:19 AM

dionysus

Tell me how and why an eyeball evolved.

Why? I can understand asking how (there are plenty of great peer reviewed and non-peer reviewed articles, even some kids' level articles that you can read; not that you'd actually get off your lazy ass and research it)



but you'd think the why would be obvious.



The better to see you with, my dear.

7/24/2012 11:29:00 AM



Oh, hey...another dense fuck building strawmen.

7/24/2012 11:30:09 AM

Dr. Razark

You want an example of a transitional form? Fine.

You. You are a transitional form. You do not look exactly like your parents.

There are small differences between you and your ancestors. Add up those small differences over long periods of time, and you get big changes. Every living organism that has ever existed, or will ever exist, is a transitional form.

7/24/2012 12:09:59 PM

necronomikron

Could someone direct me to evidence of a single transitional fossil?
Answer: All of them.

Please, someone give me the best 5 examples we see in nature today of something from one species that’s in the middle of turning into another.
Answer: All of them.

You have some basic misunderstandings of evolutionary biology.

7/24/2012 12:20:58 PM
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