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Tell me how and why an eyeball evolved. What came first, our immune systems or our need for an immune system? Could someone direct me to evidence of a single transitional fossil? No, not evidence of slight changes within a species, transitional fossils from one species to another. After all, there should be countless numbers of them. Please, someone give me the best 5 examples we see in nature today of something from one species that’s in the middle of turning into another. I’m not greedy, the top 5 will do. How about 1? Don’t tell me we just happen to be in a time in all the supposed billions of years of history that we can’t witness macroevolution happening. Lol.

Next time someone tells you you believe in fairy tales because you believe in the Bible tell them you’re not the one who believes a frog turns into a prince. Only evolutionists and 3-6 yr old girls believe that. :)

Hayride, Free Republic 55 Comments [7/24/2012 6:38:23 AM]
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zipperback

Humna will evolve into the peaceful but naive Elanoi and into the violent, flesh eating Morlocks.

Everyone knows that.

7/24/2012 12:33:09 PM

checkmate

Could someone direct me to evidence of a single transitional fossil?

Most posters on Free Republic are transitionals: human-like bodies with ape-like brains. ;-)

7/24/2012 12:34:38 PM

Meeeh

Could someone direct me to evidence of a single transitional fossil?

I'll do one better - I'll show you a living transitional specimen - look in any mirror and you'll see one! It's a mutation but that is ok.

7/24/2012 1:31:23 PM

tranz2deep

@Misterboston

I like the indignation, but this asshole will blink, show you the Bible five times, and grin stupidly.

(really, trying to argue logically with faithheads is like trying to make Wheatley self-destruct via a paradox.. both are too illogical for that to work.)

7/24/2012 1:35:53 PM

John

It takes a grown-up to believe a man's rib turns into a prince.

Tell me how and why an eyeball evolved.

There are a number of web sites that explain this quite well.

7/24/2012 1:53:32 PM

Old Viking

Frogs don't turn into princes. They turn into fundies with a lot of warts.

7/24/2012 2:40:20 PM



eyeballs are cool. photosensitive spots are so not cool and you cant use cool sunglasses without a nose and ears. Humans grew ears , nose and eyeballs so that trendy cool sunglasses could be worn.

immune systems have existed since the first bacterium ate another.

there are several ring species but they are all still birds, so you dont count that I suppose.

older girls learn that a prince can turn into a slimy toad.

7/24/2012 2:51:41 PM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

I have one example. Here we have a member of the group Homo sapiens turning into a member of the group Homo neanderthalensis. Congrats, Hayride, you answered your own question.

7/24/2012 3:57:48 PM

Karana

How many times must I say this? Every species is a transitional species.Every single one. There I pointed out billions.Are you satisfied now?

And eyes evolved so that an organism could tell where it was going to find food,mates, and avoid predators. Not very difficult to understand the concept of sight. Even a light sensitive patch is better than nothing.Search 'Euglena'. It has a eyespot. A super primitive eye.Mutations probably originally made a part of the cell or an organelle slightly sensitive to photons. The one carrying that trait went on to produce more offspring because it could compete better being able to know where light was coming from.It was a naturally selected trait.

Eyes actually evolved separately on a few different occations, so it's not like it happened once either.

7/24/2012 4:07:40 PM

Alencon

Let's see, how do I put this, every species today, including humans, are arguably in the process of turning from one species into another.

They just can't seem to get their arms around the simple observable fact of descent with modification. It happens with every biological birth and that's all evolution is, descent with modification.

The Theory of Evolution addresses the whys, hows and implications of that simple observable fact.

7/24/2012 4:27:54 PM

VioletBeauregarde

Greeeat, another strawman!!! (facepalm) By the way, I love how you think only 3-6 year old GIRLS believe that frogs turn into princes! Misogynistic asshole!

7/24/2012 5:00:35 PM

LAchlan

"Could someone direct me to evidence of a single transitional fossil?"

Ummmm, all of them are......

7/24/2012 5:56:04 PM

Vortex

There are these places called libraries (maybe not in your town). Most have an entire section on science. Libraries have things called books. Find one on evolution and READ IT. There are even some science books with lots of pictures. You can look at those if it hurts your brain too much to read.

Also, there are these places called websites that end in .edu and .org. They present stuff like observations and evidence. They discuss things like testing scientific hypotheses. STOP watching Hillbilly Handfishing and visit one of these fancy sites. READ some of the stuff they have posted. They might use big words like "diversifying selection", "genetic drift", and "scaffolding", but don't be daunted. There is this book called a dictionary. It has words and definitions in it. You can use that. Some dictionaries are even online.

Also, there are these places called science museums. (Kind of like the Creation Museum except without all of the lies.) Go to one. Spend more than 15 minutes in it.

There are these people that work in the museum called scientists. Most of them are very friendly and are willing to help you work through your confusion. Talk to one. You probably won't go to hell for just talking to a scientist. You may even learn something. BUT you have to ask semi-intelligent questions and listen to the answer. Try not to think about Hillbilly Handfishing while your talking to the scientist.

There are these other places called Universities. They are where "lernin" gets done. Enroll yourself in a Biology class or a class on evolution. The professor will probably ask you to read stuff. READ IT. But not while you're watching Hillbilly Handfishing because I don't want you to get distracted.

That should be a good start.

Okay, I feel better.

7/24/2012 6:12:48 PM

QuasiRodent

For a better example of speciation, how about subspecies? You can actually compare them to the parent species in many cases, some have branched off so recently that their entire family tree can be traced back to an exact time and place.

7/24/2012 6:27:59 PM

myheadhurts

Eyeball evolved slowly.

As soon as one organism attacked another, the war was on and the red queen was on her way.

Take several fossils showing slight changes between the ancestral species and a more recent species, cut out all the middle fossils, there you go. Your local museum or university might be able to help you.

"Macroevolution" is the collection of small changes. Observations of living animals today can have fossil representatives of direct relative species long extinct.

Humans probably did have an amphibian like ancestor, it isn't magic. Like say, mud getting a blow job from a deity and coming to life.

As for one example off the top of my head:
birds

Four more:
whales
Tiktaalik
humans
snakes

7/24/2012 7:53:33 PM

Raised by Horses

It must be difficult to type all whilst covered in straw.

7/25/2012 12:19:14 AM

michael3ov

Okay here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

If you are looking for a crock-a-duck you are too stupid to understand biological evolution. You should actually want to find a crock-a-duck because its existence would completely turn the theory on its head.

7/25/2012 12:32:58 AM

WWWWolf

> Tell me how and why an eyeball evolved.

The better to see you with, my dear.

...

...look, we already gave the serious answers long ago. We ran out of them. If you wanted serious answers, you should have comprehended them the previous time.

7/25/2012 1:35:18 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Not that crap again.

7/25/2012 2:18:58 AM

Nowonmai

There are lots of transitional fossils, but Fundies avert their eyes when they're presented, then say they don't exist.

Typing of fairy tales, equating science with "The Frog Prince" is also typical of a fundie. Surprised you know how to use electricity.

7/25/2012 3:22:51 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

"... Please, someone give me the best 5 examples we see in nature today of something from one species that’s in the middle of turning into another. I’m not greedy, the top 5 will do. How about 1? ..."

How about 8.7 million?*

* estimated number of species on Earth at this time from

http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001127

7/25/2012 5:10:54 AM

Doubting Thomas

Next time someone tells you you believe in fairy tales because you believe in the Bible tell them you’re not the one who believes a frog turns into a prince.

And don't forget to tell them that you believe in a talking snake, magic fruit, a man being created from a pile of dirt and his wife being made from one of his ribs, and a Jewish zombie making everyone live forever if they accept that he died for them which removes a curse that his father put on everyone.

7/25/2012 6:14:36 AM



-No. Look it up yourself, you deliberately ignorant ingrate.

-Probably, the need for one, very quickly followed by a primative immune system.

-Does Australopithicus count? It's not a fossil, after all. Oh, more drastic changes? Raptors. They had feathers.

-5 best examples of animals evolving from x into y? That could be rephrased as "Pick 5 animals", assuming the ones you choose aren't on the brink of extinction.

-*sigh* No. A frog will never turn into a prince. Different branches of the evolutionary tree, yo.

7/25/2012 6:25:55 AM

JGC

"Tell me how and why an eyeball evolved."

As a result of the serial acumulation of genetic changes, each of which conferred an increase in fitness at the time it arose, over multiple generations (i.e., through evolutionary change. I suggest you visit you do a web search for "Don Lindsay" and "How could an eye evolve?"--he explains it quite clearly indicating where we still see intermediate forms operating in living organisms (eye-spots as found in molluscs and starfish, eye-pits as found in planaria, lenseless eyes as found in the nautilus, etc.)

For transitional fossils. start with archaeopteryx, tiltaalik, ambulocetus, and acanthostega. With respect to species to species transitional series, Roger Cuffey's 1974 paper "Paleontologic evidence and organic evolution" lists over 100 fine-grained species to species transitions.

And note we don't need to rely on fossil evidence of a new species arising by evolutionary descent from an ancestral population: we've seen it happen, in realtime, both in controlled laboratory condistions and uncontrolled in the wild. (Go to talkorigins and read their Observed Speciation FAQ).

7/25/2012 7:18:10 AM

Nicole

Polly wanna cracker?

7/25/2012 7:43:11 AM
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