Quote# 88609

[Matt Barber on how abortions caused the CO shooting]

In our perverse society, a woman exercising her 'right to choose' death for her innocent child represents 'courage,' while the Batman shooter’s 'choice' to kill innocent moviegoers represents cowardice. And it is. They are both acts of cowardice. The only relevant difference is the victims’ age. Let me be clear: Am I comparing this incredibly wicked, illegal mass murder at Aurora’s Century Theatre to the incredibly wicked, legal mass murder committed at Planned Parenthoods across the country each day? Absolutely – and you can quote me on it.

But again, like the Batman murders, our nation’s 55-plus million abortion murders post Roe v. Wade are not the cause of our culture of death; they are merely a symptom. Ultimately, the cause stems from something much less complicated. We as a nation – as a people – have turned our backs on God. We have rebelled against Him and have forgotten that it was He and He alone who gave us 200-plus years of prosperity, unprecedented in world history. We have left Him, so why are we surprised He’s leaving us? We have said, 'We don’t need you, leave us alone.' And so He has.

Matt Barber, Joe. My. God. 49 Comments [7/28/2012 2:49:14 PM]
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200+? I'm not sure you want to include the Gilded Age...

Besides, you may want to explain to us WHY God would leave his creations unable to do anything right on their own. Appeals to divine glory will be rejected as appeal to a worthless thing (note: the "worthless" part would be the "glory", not necessarily the "divine").

7/28/2012 2:52:38 PM

Filin De Blanc

You know what would have prevented the Aurora shooting? If Holmes' mother had aborted him.

7/28/2012 3:05:49 PM


What is this, I don't even...

7/28/2012 3:17:37 PM


1) Having an abortion is not killing an innocent child, it is destroying unconscious human tissue. Once the emotivism is cut away, that's all that is left.

2) I guess we did quote you on that.

3) Your nostalgic recollections are not a history book. Violence, hunger, poverty, disease and whatever else you care to name has been steadily dropping for the last 200 years in the US, Fox News' breathless bleed-lead news coverage notwithstanding. Oh, and slavery.

7/28/2012 3:35:11 PM


You know one thing I have never seen is how many of those abortions have been because of someone being raped. I do not condone rape and think it's sickening but the major part of the pro-abortion movement is the rape angle but no one gives any numbers about the ratio.

7/28/2012 3:41:09 PM

Blue the Thief

7/28/2012 3:47:28 PM

J. James

That's quite a stretch.

7/28/2012 4:03:22 PM


Ah, the breath of fresh air of inviting conspiracy theories to meet with senseless murder to include irrational logic compiled completely from a steaming bag of bullshit.

Until you shove a watermelon sized object from the head of your penis, I don't want to hear a damn thing about abortion out of your face again. Shut up or put up.

7/28/2012 4:11:44 PM


And guys like these have no idea how similar their worldview is to that of the Wahhabis... yet they hate each other. Good for the rest of us (the sane people), I suppose.

7/28/2012 4:14:34 PM


US Gun law facilitates such killings. Sad.

7/28/2012 5:26:23 PM


This guy is one sick fuck. I really can't stand people who think we're all totally helpless without their magic man in the sky.

I'm not a violent person BUT I could make an exception for people like this pissant.

7/28/2012 6:20:17 PM


200-plus years of prosperity, unprecedented in world history.

200-plus years of prosperity? Unprecedented in world history?

First, you obviously know very little about world history.

Second, I guess slavery, the mass murdering of Native Americans, the Great Depression, segregation, the stark social injustice of early capitalism, sweatshops, etc., etc. don't count in your book. Or do we have God to thank for all those lovely things, things he gave us before he left? If so, good riddance.

Oh yes, and please define "prosperity".

7/28/2012 6:21:39 PM



The truth is only a small percentage of abortions are due to rape. If I remember correctly, the overwhelming majority are because the person can't care for the child at that time.

I just did a quick check. Only 1% are due to rape or incest. 21% are because the mother is unready for the responsibility; 21% because they can't afford a baby and 16% because of the mother's fear of how a baby would change her life.

The numbers are from the Guttmacher Institute which is pretty trustworthy. As much as I am convinced that abortion choice is necessary, you can see why a lot of people have a problem with it.

7/28/2012 6:22:19 PM


Aww. I like vulture-picking on a national disaster to promote my religious views too, err, not really.

7/28/2012 6:30:08 PM


As i thought but the problem of that stems from the couple choosing to have sex and not expecting the consequences which is way too common. Still the shooting had nothing to do with abortion so let us drop it.

7/28/2012 6:40:42 PM


7/28/2012 7:01:39 PM

"We have said, 'We don’t need you, leave us alone.' And so He has."

Hmmm, I wonder if it might be that he was never there to begin with. Just throwing that out there.

7/28/2012 7:06:26 PM


Although there is one other thing I do not get when most people point out the hypocrisy of the fundies some tend do also say something close-minded.

7/28/2012 7:21:19 PM

Raised by Horses

These wingnuts are like a choir of parrots. It's a bad joke. Every time some tragedy occurs, they immediately leap into the media spotlight to cry about their pet peeve.

So, guys. What do you think caused this latest tragedy?

Pat Robertson: GAYS!
Matt Barber: ABORTIONS!
Jerry Falwell: PAGANS!
Creationists: SCIENCE!
Muslims: NON-HALAL MEAT! (squawk!)

7/28/2012 7:52:04 PM

sadly it is evident that the christians are emulating their God who after all has the highest body count in recorded history.

Ask yourself why a kind loving God would not at least send an angel to stop the shooter ?

7/28/2012 7:55:33 PM


The necrophagous Barbie strikes again.

Fucking vulture...

7/28/2012 8:34:47 PM


Matt is just upset that he couldn't link the shooting to homosexuality like he does with any other issue.

7/28/2012 9:06:57 PM


"We have left Him, so why are we surprised He’s leaving us? We have said, 'We don’t need you, leave us alone.' And so He has."

Which is bullshit even according to your fundy theology. You say he's removing himself from human affairs, and yet you believe he's coming back to judge the world and involve him in the destiny of every human being. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. You can't have a god that gets fed up with humans with minute and leaves them to their own devices, and then the next insists on casting judgement to send them to Heaven or Hell.

7/28/2012 9:56:31 PM

Oh My Dog!

Embryos are not people, the movie-goers were. It's as simple as that.

There is no prohibition of abortion in the Bible, it's not even mentioned, so how do you know that God would be against it?

Also, how do you know that your god is the right one and that he has left us?

7/28/2012 10:21:29 PM


Matt is right. We turned our backs on god. I mean when was the last time we hung a witch? When was the last time we put unbelievers to death because they are unbelievers? Before turning our backs on god this is the shit that happened. Do fundies even know about this?

Also Filin is spot on

7/28/2012 11:11:56 PM

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