Quote# 88609

[Matt Barber on how abortions caused the CO shooting]

In our perverse society, a woman exercising her 'right to choose' death for her innocent child represents 'courage,' while the Batman shooter’s 'choice' to kill innocent moviegoers represents cowardice. And it is. They are both acts of cowardice. The only relevant difference is the victims’ age. Let me be clear: Am I comparing this incredibly wicked, illegal mass murder at Aurora’s Century Theatre to the incredibly wicked, legal mass murder committed at Planned Parenthoods across the country each day? Absolutely – and you can quote me on it.

But again, like the Batman murders, our nation’s 55-plus million abortion murders post Roe v. Wade are not the cause of our culture of death; they are merely a symptom. Ultimately, the cause stems from something much less complicated. We as a nation – as a people – have turned our backs on God. We have rebelled against Him and have forgotten that it was He and He alone who gave us 200-plus years of prosperity, unprecedented in world history. We have left Him, so why are we surprised He’s leaving us? We have said, 'We don’t need you, leave us alone.' And so He has.

Matt Barber, Joe. My. God. 49 Comments [7/28/2012 2:49:14 PM]
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"our nation’s 55-plus million abortion murder"

An embryo is not a child. Even the Jews say the soul only gets inside the child after 40 days of pregnancy.
If an abortion is murder, what is masturbation? A genocide?

"200-plus years of prosperity, unprecedented in world history"

Civil War? 1929?
And those are just the ones I get off the top of my head.

7/28/2012 11:12:48 PM


You seem a bit hazy on the history of the US of A, dearie.
The declaration of independence came in 1776. Roe v Wade was decided in 1973, within that 200-plus years of prosperity that you talk about. The two world wars are also within that unprecedented prosperity, strangely enough.

You, as a nation, as a people, are more religious than most other Western world countries.

Murder is the killing of a living human being, with a functioning nervous system and a beating heart.
Many of those "55-plus million abortion murders" had probably ended in spontaneous abortions anyway; acts of God, ya know. Btw, do you have chapter and verse where God speaks out about abortions? Nah, didn't think so, there are only verses where he promotes or even orders the killing of infants and fetuses.

7/28/2012 11:43:01 PM

Philbert McAdamia

We have left Him, so why are we surprised He’s leaving us? We have said, 'We don’t need you, leave us alone.' And so He has.

Isn't it just us unbelievers who shun your sky dad? He still has you fundies by the short hairs. It seems our message has a lot more influence on him than all your preaching, praying, bowing and scraping, if he's leaving the whole world alone, including his devotees, which, btw, number around 80% of the U.S. population, hm?
And we're where, around 2% or so?

7/29/2012 12:50:26 AM

Your nation has only been the most prosperous in the world for around 100 years, so to say you've '200-plus years of prosperity unprecedented in world history' seems a little over the top, does it not?

The British ruled the world, then collapsed, with a belief in your god; the Romans ruled the known world by killing those who worshipped your god. Perhaps, therefore, belief in your god is completely unrelated to a nation's prosperity...

7/29/2012 12:51:36 AM

Leighton Buzzard

I'm not convinced by those abortion stats from the Guttman Institute. Where's the percentage for medical necessity?

7/29/2012 2:32:18 AM


I can not express how much I hate people like you.

7/29/2012 3:54:48 AM


hijacking news for jesus!

immoral swine

7/29/2012 4:16:00 AM


I find the idea that a culture of death stems from a rejection of god pretty unlikely.
Mostly because this god seemed to be really very fond of massacres, "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" and all that, so surely a culture of death would be pleasing to him?
Besides that, how strange that those who are so staunchly opposed to the killing of an undeveloped embryo seem to be the most enthusiastic advocates of the death penalty, which is the killing of a fully-developed human adult.

7/29/2012 4:38:15 AM


Nobody was demanding that the shooter grow a theaterfull of people in his body for nine months each and then support each unaided until its eighteenth birthday. Had that been the case, he'd have a very workable insanity defense.

7/29/2012 4:42:15 AM


Seeing all these classy jackasses jumping on the tragedy-vulture bandwagon makes me feel sick, especially when their pet causes/peeves have absolutely nothing even tangentially related to do with the incident.

I could just as easily use this as an opportunity to whore out my own stances on gun control and universal healthcare (primarily universal mental healthcare, but also universal healthcare in general, since some of those hospitalized don't have insurance)—issues which at least are actually relevant to the tragedy at hand—however, I choose to take the high road and refrain from being a tactless and insensitive vulture who uses a national tragedy as a platform to express his opinions and praise the righteousness of them. (Hell, I already feel wrong for simply acknowledging the personal causes I could use this as a platform for.)

Also, rofl @ Reynardine.

7/29/2012 8:16:15 AM

Doubting Thomas

I'll take "Demagoguery" for $1000, Alex.

I absolutely hate how people will take a terrible incident like this and twist it around for their own political purposes.

7/29/2012 8:21:33 AM

D Laurier

Fuck off Matt.

7/29/2012 8:22:09 AM

Seeker Lancer

This strawman is as insensitive as it is predictable.

7/29/2012 8:35:48 AM


"He and He alone" "gave us 200-plus years of prosperity". Why give a deity the credit for the hard work and self-sacrifice of generations and generations of people?
Why must God act like such a petulant toddler? "Waaah, they're not worshipping me enough! I'll show them! I'll cause someone to shoot people in a cinema in Colorado!"

7/29/2012 1:22:48 PM

Mystik Spiral

There's something worse than abortion here... why hasn't anyone thought about the sheer number of cows and pigs that have been senselessly slaughtered for all the bacon cheeseburgers Matty has consumed in his pathetic life?

7/29/2012 2:52:10 PM


"He and He alone who gave us 200-plus years of prosperity, unprecedented in world history."
Uh, weren't the Ancient Romans a civilization for like 1000 years and adopted Christianity right before they fell?
Was your God defeated by Zeus in God school or something?

7/29/2012 11:44:26 PM

Mister Spak

In our perverse society, a christian exercising his "freedom" of religion bombs a clinic or murders a doctor because his religion says he should, then complains that his arrest, conviction and sentence infringes on the "freedom". And that is it.

Am I comparing these crimes with muslims killing, torturing and burning infidels in their enforcement of sharia? Absolutely - and you can quote me on it.

7/30/2012 5:15:39 AM


@ Mister Spak:

Apparently to a Christian fundie "freedom of religion" means that they can do whatever the hell they're allowed to by the Bible (or their pastor), without any interference or criticism by anyone.

7/30/2012 8:35:27 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

DIAF is not severe enough to indicate how much I hate you. Seriously, people like this monster don't deserve to inhabit the same planet as normal human beings.

7/30/2012 9:09:41 AM


You seem to be confusing terminating an unwanted pregnancy with killing an actual child--why?

7/30/2012 10:19:05 AM


Your god alone gave us prosperity? So all the generations of immigrants who worked like dogs to make a better life for their children could have sat around drinking daquiris while your god handled everything?

7/30/2012 11:54:26 AM


gave us 200-plus years of prosperity, unprecedented in world history

That's right. Rome, Greece, Egypt, and China never existed. Which, by the way, is why the global flood never affected the latter 2.

7/30/2012 1:11:28 PM

Often Partisan

The great depression didn't happen, the financial crisis 08 didn't happen? Cos thats the implication of 200 years of prosperity.

8/23/2012 8:50:10 AM

The christian churches should expel any member who does not follow all of Gods laws.

Once that is done the churches will be tiny and only a very few true christians will exist.

That includes stoning fornicators, adulterers and unruly children, homosexuals and witches. Also those wearing poly-cotton blends or other mixed fibres.

8/23/2012 12:03:20 PM

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