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The movies that Hollywood puts out today are often decadent and evil. They glorify sadism, depravity, and nihilistic violence. They are modern-day versions of the Roman games.

Hollywood isn’t just making crap; it is degrading characters that used to be good and decent. Batman used to be a worthy superhero instead of a sick freak. The 1960's Batman was clean and wholesome. The show was campy and juvenile, too, but it wasn’t a study in abnormal psychology. Batman was an honest and true hero, not an angry recluse fighting his “inner demons.”

Hollywood is tearing the fabric of our civilization. Pop culture is an important and powerful thing, it isn’t just “entertainment.” For a lot of people, it’s really important. Their families have been destroyed, they don’t go to church, the community institutions that used to bind people to one another have faded away or been forcibly broken up — to these people, pop culture isn’t just light amusement; it has real meaning. In many cases they have little else.

It kills me that a mainstream movie like Dark Knight Rising is a horror show of sadism and decadence. The release of a new blockbuster movie used to be a fun, and largely positive, thing. Whether it was the new Star Wars movie, Rocky III, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, etc., these movies were festive and fun.

But the Boomers changed all that. Starting in the early 1990’s, with The Terminator, the movies became “dark” and started to feature orgies of sadistic violence and killing. In my opinion, the Batman movies are the worst of the lot. I have always been repelled by them.

I am sorry for the kids who went to see this trash, and of course I am deeply sorry for those killed. They didn’t know any better – they are victims of our decadent and depraved popular culture. They were raised in a moral wasteland and don’t know any better than to celebrate movies like this. It is terrible that they were killed, they were just innocent kids. But Hollywood is doing an evil thing by putting out movies like this.

The sick freak who did this was incited by the movie. It spoke to him because it is sick and twisted, just like he is. He wouldn’t have done this at a showing of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Maybe he still would have become a murderer, but he would not have identified so strongly with the movie. I believe that movies like this create guys like that. There will always be troubled people, but school shootings and massacres by lone gunmen are a relatively new phenomenon. If the culture was healthier, guys like this would probably not fall so far. If their home lives were messed up, they’d find solace in something else. They certainly wouldn’t have their sick fantasies excited by “mainstream” entertainment like the new Batman movie.

But in our atomized and decadent culture of today, no one stops them from sinking into depravity and insanity; on the contrary, they are bombarded with images of torture and cruelty and death everywhere they go. So yes, I do blame the movie for the deaths of those kids.

Matthew H., The Thinking Housewife 84 Comments [7/28/2012 3:24:25 PM]
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J. James

Matt has a double standard the size of the Death Star. There have been PLENTY of violent moves around- Indiana Jones is a perfect example, in fact. How many times has Indy killed someone? Anyway, it's not just movies. Violence is simply a trope reflective of human culture. You can find it in the world's oldest stories, like the Odyssey and the Epic of Beowulf. Nothing has changed.

And trying to blame "evil" Hollywood for the evils of one nut is even more specious.

7/28/2012 3:35:12 PM


Batman history FAIL.

7/28/2012 3:37:40 PM

Sweet Fancy Moses

"...Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom..."

Because there's nothing dark in that. I wanna say poe.

7/28/2012 3:49:35 PM

Filin De Blanc

What's someone named Matthew doing on a site called "The Thinking Housewife"? I mean, not that I have a problem with that exactly, but it's just odd to see conservatives defying gender norms, since they think that's of the debbil and all.

7/28/2012 3:54:10 PM


"It kills me that a mainstream movie like Dark Knight Rising is a horror show of sadism and decadence. The release of a new blockbuster movie used to be a fun, and largely positive, thing. Whether it was the new Star Wars movie, ... , these movies were festive and fun."

Yep, no school shootings and massacres by lone gunmen. Use lightsaber instead!

7/28/2012 3:56:52 PM


Just shut the fuck up, turn in your thumbs, and dive back into the genetic rejects bin. We don't even want to recycle anything you might have.

7/28/2012 4:03:22 PM


The sick freak who did this was incited by the movie.

So far, there's been no public indication of a motive. You just pulled that out of your ass.

7/28/2012 4:24:21 PM


Actually, you fail hard on The Bat, my friend. Batman was always a dark, brooding character. He never conquered his inner demons, which is why he was so determined to help the people of Gotham fight theirs.

Batman only became 'cute and campy' when the tv show started in the 60s. As awesome as that show was, it was as different from Batman's actual mythology as a butterfly is from a pogo stick.

Like it or not, Nolan's films reflect the true feel of the original series and the nature of The Batman himself.

Shame on you for bitching about something so many of us hold dear without even knowing the actual story behind it. Fuck you.

7/28/2012 4:29:41 PM

Raised by Horses

Temple of Doom, "fun and festive"? What movie were you watching?

Okay, the dinner scene was pretty funny, but still..

7/28/2012 4:36:36 PM


And The Terminator was in 19-EIGHTY-FOUR. Remember, when your Messiah Ronnie Raygun was in the driver's seat? Put there by the 'Moral Majority'?

7/28/2012 5:05:17 PM


That much babble to say so little?

7/28/2012 5:13:09 PM


The movie didn't incite the violence. He had planned this massacre well in advance of seeing the movie.

7/28/2012 5:20:11 PM


The movie incited his violence, huh? Guess it's a lucky for him he happened to have all those guns on him.

And it was the 1960s wholesome Batman that was the departure from the character, originally a brooding, dark detective. Idiot.

7/28/2012 5:35:46 PM

an adult man who seems to have no lasting relationships with women, but who has a spectacular basement in his parents house , and who keeps a teenage boy as a sidekick and dresses him in lycra tights and so forth.

Nothing disturbing about that at all :-(

7/28/2012 5:49:23 PM

Voice of Humanity

This guy is a real




7/28/2012 5:56:42 PM

This has to be a Poe. Temple of Doom was "festive and fun", but Dark Knight Rises is too dark?

7/28/2012 6:03:21 PM


Back in the Fifties, those Batman comics were not only dark and dreary, but (it was suspected) dirty. What *was* that special relationship between Batman and Robin?

7/28/2012 6:43:43 PM


the Boomers changed all that. Starting in the early 1990’s

You're about 25 years off. The "Boomers" were making films in the mid 60's. Late "Boomers" are in their 50's now. "Pop" culture is a term from the 60's too.

Have you been on some farm for the last 50 years and have just discovered the 'big city'? Your whole post sounds very mid-west boondocks.

I guess you like all those peaceful John Wayne movies. Only Injuns got killed in them, and we all know what kind of Injun is a good Injun, right?

7/28/2012 6:43:46 PM


I too am calling Poe...as others have stated, Temple of Doom was in no way, shape or form a light-hearted film.

And Batman, like it or not, Matty, is a dark character, regardless of what Mr. Schumacher and the WB Execs wanted you to think with 'Forever' and 'B&R' or with the old Adam West show; Batman was not camp or a toy commercial, he is dark and gritty. Deal

7/28/2012 6:52:55 PM

Thinking Allowed

The 1960's Batman was clean and wholesome. The show was campy and juvenile, too, but it wasn’t a study in abnormal psychology.

Does Matt realize that Batman originally started out as a comic book hero?

7/28/2012 6:54:22 PM


The temple of doom had a lot of violence. Like pulling a guys heart out of his chest and another guy got fed into a rock crusher feet first... Also monkey brains.

7/28/2012 6:55:18 PM


What is reality and what is fiction? If a human being can't discern the two, the problem lies a lot deeper than violence in movies. A piece of human garbage that takes it upon his or herself to use mass media as an excuse to promote their own agenda regarding a violent act is no better than the one behind the trigger in the first place. Does that make any sense?

7/28/2012 7:26:15 PM

Arctic Knight

"...but school shootings and massacres by lone gunmen are a relatively new phenomenon. "

History fail.

"The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only three children survived."

Reported school shootings in the U.S.;
1800s - 12
1900-1930s - 17
1940s - 11
1950s - 16
1960s - 10
1970s - 4
1980s - 14

Schools shootings in the U.S. go back as far as the 1700s. [sarcasm]For a group (fundamentalists) that seem to really like things that are "traditional," you'd think they would be in support of the tradition of school shootings in the U.S. that date back over 200 years. [/sarcasm]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

7/28/2012 7:29:27 PM


Jim Stark wannabe Charles Starkweather disagrees.

Hvae you SEEN a movie poster from the 40s / 50s?
Have you ever seen a noir movie?

7/28/2012 8:01:19 PM


Hey Matt, why don't you go watch a movie filled with rape, murder, adultery, genocide, and a shit load of more violence.. a movie based on buy bull stories. I blame that book for more murders and other atrocities in all of history.

7/28/2012 8:30:36 PM

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