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The movies that Hollywood puts out today are often decadent and evil. They glorify sadism, depravity, and nihilistic violence. They are modern-day versions of the Roman games.

Hollywood isn’t just making crap; it is degrading characters that used to be good and decent. Batman used to be a worthy superhero instead of a sick freak. The 1960's Batman was clean and wholesome. The show was campy and juvenile, too, but it wasn’t a study in abnormal psychology. Batman was an honest and true hero, not an angry recluse fighting his “inner demons.”

Hollywood is tearing the fabric of our civilization. Pop culture is an important and powerful thing, it isn’t just “entertainment.” For a lot of people, it’s really important. Their families have been destroyed, they don’t go to church, the community institutions that used to bind people to one another have faded away or been forcibly broken up — to these people, pop culture isn’t just light amusement; it has real meaning. In many cases they have little else.

It kills me that a mainstream movie like Dark Knight Rising is a horror show of sadism and decadence. The release of a new blockbuster movie used to be a fun, and largely positive, thing. Whether it was the new Star Wars movie, Rocky III, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, etc., these movies were festive and fun.

But the Boomers changed all that. Starting in the early 1990’s, with The Terminator, the movies became “dark” and started to feature orgies of sadistic violence and killing. In my opinion, the Batman movies are the worst of the lot. I have always been repelled by them.

I am sorry for the kids who went to see this trash, and of course I am deeply sorry for those killed. They didn’t know any better – they are victims of our decadent and depraved popular culture. They were raised in a moral wasteland and don’t know any better than to celebrate movies like this. It is terrible that they were killed, they were just innocent kids. But Hollywood is doing an evil thing by putting out movies like this.

The sick freak who did this was incited by the movie. It spoke to him because it is sick and twisted, just like he is. He wouldn’t have done this at a showing of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Maybe he still would have become a murderer, but he would not have identified so strongly with the movie. I believe that movies like this create guys like that. There will always be troubled people, but school shootings and massacres by lone gunmen are a relatively new phenomenon. If the culture was healthier, guys like this would probably not fall so far. If their home lives were messed up, they’d find solace in something else. They certainly wouldn’t have their sick fantasies excited by “mainstream” entertainment like the new Batman movie.

But in our atomized and decadent culture of today, no one stops them from sinking into depravity and insanity; on the contrary, they are bombarded with images of torture and cruelty and death everywhere they go. So yes, I do blame the movie for the deaths of those kids.

Matthew H., The Thinking Housewife 81 Comments [7/28/2012 3:24:25 PM]
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Lady Evil

Oh puh-leez. There have been violent, dark and twisted movies for a good long while. Just ask Cinema Snob about such goodies as ''Blood Feast'', ''Child Bride'' and ''They Saved Hitler's Brain'' among others.

Take a good look at the very first ''Frankenstein'' film. I mean the one made by Edison himself! It was dark. It was deeply psychological. It had an innocent bride be murdered. People ran out of the theater in panic at the sight of the Monster. (Even by today's standards, he looks pretty creepy. Closer to the book than Boris Karloff got.)

7/28/2012 8:41:35 PM

Lotus-thing

Seriously? Temple of Doom? Festive? The movie with child slavery, corpses, still-beating-heart removals and ritual murder by lava pit? Did Matthew H. ever /watch/ it?

7/28/2012 8:56:06 PM

Oh My Dog!

Edgar Allan is that you?

7/28/2012 9:06:10 PM

solomongrundy

Kids today '...are bombarded with images of torture and cruelty and death everywhere they go'.
So says the (man?) who's religion is symbolised by an instrument of torture and execution.

7/28/2012 9:22:38 PM

Ebon

Have you actually seen Temple of Doom? It's incredibly dark. It features torture, child slavery and hearts getting ripped out.
Also, playing at the same time as the Dark Knight Rises were harmless family films like The Lorax and Ice Age: Continental Drift.

7/28/2012 9:51:07 PM

solomongrundy

^^^
I wouldn't be surprised if Matthew H sees The Lorax as leftie propaganda too.

7/28/2012 10:17:24 PM

louislois

"Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" was festive and fun?

We must have seen different movies, then. Unless you consider some guy having his heart torn out alive and thrown into a firey pit in a Thugee ceremony as being festive and fun...?

7/28/2012 10:31:45 PM

Adrian

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! As a comics fan, it is my duty to point at you and laugh, Matt...

I don't suppose you realize that ever since Batman was created, fear has been one of his chief weapons in his war against crime. Nevermind that before DC decided to give him his "no killing, no guns" code Batman (and Robin) was gleefully machine-gunning down criminals, even after that one of his trademark interrogation techniques is to dangle a criminal from a skyscrapper.

"It kills me that a mainstream movie like Dark Knight Rising is a horror show of sadism and decadence."

I'll give you violence (though that isn't necessarily the same thing as sadism), but decadence, seriously...? As Bruce Wayne he may cultivate an image of a good-for-nothing playboy billionaire, but Batman has no time for decadence. His dedication to his mission consumes all, for all intents and purposes he is a warrior-monk.

"The sick freak who did this was incited by the movie. It spoke to him because it is sick and twisted, just like he is. He wouldn’t have done this at a showing of Raiders of the Lost Ark."

Sure he would, the premiere of Raiders would have provided just as targets-rich an environment as The Dark Knight's.

"
I am sorry for the kids who went to see this trash, and of course I am deeply sorry for those killed. They didn’t know any better – they are victims of our decadent and depraved popular culture. They were raised in a moral wasteland and don’t know any better than to celebrate movies like this. It is terrible that they were killed, they were just innocent kids. But Hollywood is doing an evil thing by putting out movies like this."


Aww, who's a repugnant little concern-trolling vulture? Yes it's you, yes it's you, Matt...

7/28/2012 10:38:53 PM

freako104

His blaming the fucking movie reminds me of Columbine. And read a Bible. There us a lot of violence in it, and it is morally deprived. And how about blaming the fucking shooter.

7/28/2012 10:47:32 PM

Indicible

1975: Salo or the 120 Days of Sodom by Pasolini
One of the vilest works ever committed to film.

1929: Un chien andalou by Luis Bunuel
One of the most infamous scenes in the history of cinema, with an eyeball sliced open with a razor.

And I would really like to see the reaction of our present fundie to, say, the Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975).

7/28/2012 10:58:53 PM

michael3ov

"Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom"

Yes because pulling a mans still beating heart out of his chest and then lowering him into a pit of fire while he is still alive all the while laughing and chanting about it is "festive and fun".

Very wholesome entertainment.

7/28/2012 11:30:46 PM

mikek44224

Batman started out dark! He turned campy in the '60s and then went dark again. If you can't deal with movies that make you think while portraying the grittier aspects of life, go watch Sesame Street.

7/29/2012 12:29:09 AM

Robespierre

@Indicible:

And Un Chien Andalou/l'Age d'or actually features Jesus and the Apostles acting out 120 days of Sodom (book), for added blasphemy.

7/29/2012 1:11:19 AM

Passerby

When the Batman character first came out he was a ruthless killer and I don't see how the melting Nazi faces was less violent than modern film. It is my firm belief that it is a surging hunger for violence and other base gratification in society itself that shapes media, not the other way around. Otherwise classic entertainment would not fall out of favour when re-introduced in modern times.

7/29/2012 1:53:06 AM

solomongrundy

As I recall the scene in The Temple of Doom in which the guy had his heart ripped out was cut from the original UK cinema release after the British Board of Film Certification deemed it unsuitable for children. That rather undermines the claim the film was 'festive and fun'.

7/29/2012 3:00:57 AM

fishtank

Okay, thats cool. Now shut up.

7/29/2012 3:51:47 AM

VioletBeauregarde

Keep using the word "decadent"-you'll only make people want to see those movies more. The word decadent conjures up visions of rich chocolate for me...dang it, now you made me crave-thanks a lot, Matt!

7/29/2012 4:12:31 AM

nkd

Two things:

Psycho (1960)
Birth of a Nation (1915)

To be fair, however, maybe you would consider Birth of a Nation to be unacceptable since is a bout the rise of the .....KKK......and the victims were.....well, you know.

7/29/2012 4:44:48 AM

GalvatronPrime

As I recall, Temple of Doom was the film (or one of them) that led to the creation of the PG-13 rating. So bollocks.

7/29/2012 7:18:10 AM

Doubting Thomas

Starting in the early 1990’s, with The Terminator, the movies became “dark”

The Terminator was released in 1984. And there were "dark" movies long before that. I think you're a victim of selective thinking. I guess you don't remember all the slasher flicks of the late 70's and 80's.

I am sorry for the kids who went to see this trash, and of course I am deeply sorry for those killed. They didn’t know any better – they are victims of our decadent and depraved popular culture.

Would you be saying the same thing if some nutjob had opened fire in a theater showing a romantic comedy?

But in our atomized and decadent culture of today, no one stops them from sinking into depravity and insanity; on the contrary, they are bombarded with images of torture and cruelty and death everywhere they go.

Ever think that perhaps Hollywood makes movies that people want to see, and instead of the movies degrading society they are perhaps a reflection of it?

7/29/2012 8:02:25 AM



"The movies that Hollywood puts out today are often decadent and evil. They glorify sadism, depravity, and nihilistic violence. They are modern-day versions of the Roman games."

And they are often paid for by christian fundamentalist groups.


I've read some of the batman comics from the 1940s... They are dark and violent.


7/29/2012 8:09:06 AM

Seeker Lancer

Blah blah reactionary idiocy about how assault rifles and psychosis doesn't kill people, pop-culture apparently does.

It also amazes me how people think there was at some point a "good old days" with non-violent entertainment.

I guess Birth of a Nation was a good old-fashioned friendly film!

7/29/2012 8:29:18 AM

shykid

Violence in fiction is irrelevant to violence in reality unless it is reflective of the violence that already exists in the real world.

Violence has been a staple of fiction for as long as it has existed. However, normal and emotionally healthy people are not psychopathic and can keep reality and violent fiction apart—even certain religious folks whose holy books are chock full of the stuff. And those with psychopathic inclinations are already prone to violence without the "help" of fiction, anyway.

7/29/2012 8:49:16 AM

Frelus

That would be horrible, if movies with a clear black and white morality were just not sooooo boring. Really. I know you live in a world where there is only black and white, but the rest of us do not.

7/29/2012 8:58:43 AM

Bryan65

So much for the THINKING part...

7/29/2012 9:07:09 AM
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