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The movies that Hollywood puts out today are often decadent and evil. They glorify sadism, depravity, and nihilistic violence. They are modern-day versions of the Roman games.

Hollywood isn’t just making crap; it is degrading characters that used to be good and decent. Batman used to be a worthy superhero instead of a sick freak. The 1960's Batman was clean and wholesome. The show was campy and juvenile, too, but it wasn’t a study in abnormal psychology. Batman was an honest and true hero, not an angry recluse fighting his “inner demons.”

Hollywood is tearing the fabric of our civilization. Pop culture is an important and powerful thing, it isn’t just “entertainment.” For a lot of people, it’s really important. Their families have been destroyed, they don’t go to church, the community institutions that used to bind people to one another have faded away or been forcibly broken up — to these people, pop culture isn’t just light amusement; it has real meaning. In many cases they have little else.

It kills me that a mainstream movie like Dark Knight Rising is a horror show of sadism and decadence. The release of a new blockbuster movie used to be a fun, and largely positive, thing. Whether it was the new Star Wars movie, Rocky III, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, etc., these movies were festive and fun.

But the Boomers changed all that. Starting in the early 1990’s, with The Terminator, the movies became “dark” and started to feature orgies of sadistic violence and killing. In my opinion, the Batman movies are the worst of the lot. I have always been repelled by them.

I am sorry for the kids who went to see this trash, and of course I am deeply sorry for those killed. They didn’t know any better – they are victims of our decadent and depraved popular culture. They were raised in a moral wasteland and don’t know any better than to celebrate movies like this. It is terrible that they were killed, they were just innocent kids. But Hollywood is doing an evil thing by putting out movies like this.

The sick freak who did this was incited by the movie. It spoke to him because it is sick and twisted, just like he is. He wouldn’t have done this at a showing of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Maybe he still would have become a murderer, but he would not have identified so strongly with the movie. I believe that movies like this create guys like that. There will always be troubled people, but school shootings and massacres by lone gunmen are a relatively new phenomenon. If the culture was healthier, guys like this would probably not fall so far. If their home lives were messed up, they’d find solace in something else. They certainly wouldn’t have their sick fantasies excited by “mainstream” entertainment like the new Batman movie.

But in our atomized and decadent culture of today, no one stops them from sinking into depravity and insanity; on the contrary, they are bombarded with images of torture and cruelty and death everywhere they go. So yes, I do blame the movie for the deaths of those kids.

Matthew H., The Thinking Housewife 81 Comments [7/28/2012 3:24:25 PM]
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The Empire Strikes Back really is the poster boy of good old fashioned children entertainment,isn't?
As a kid I was particularly amused by the heart removal in Temple of Doom.

7/29/2012 9:15:27 AM

Flah

Star Wars: A young man must choose between allowing the galaxy to be ruled by an evil cabal of sorcerers or fighting and killing his own father, thereby becoming just as evil as those he fights. Wholesome family fun!

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom: An archaeologist, along with an orphan and a woman whom he kidnapped, discovers a secret cult which sacrifices willing victims by pulling out their hearts. Once again, very wholesome.

Golden Age Batman: From the very beginning, it's established that Bruce Wayne's parents were killed right in front of him as a child and that he was inspired to fight criminals as a direct result of his thirst for revenge. As whacky as his adventures might have been in the 1960's, this is an integral part of his origin.

The guy who shot up the theatre in Colorado was not driven to insanity by Batman. He was crazy from the start. If the theatre were showing nothing but Davey and Goliath and Veggie Tales after an intense media campaign, blood would still have been shed.

7/29/2012 9:49:11 AM



"The 1960's Batman was clean and wholesome."
The ambigously gay duo, yeah ... right.

7/29/2012 9:58:53 AM

Sasha

Willard - 1971
The Exorcist - 1973
It's Alive - 1974
Carrie - 1976
Halloween - 1978
Alien - 1979

There were plenty of creepy movies in the 1970's alone. People love dark films just like they love Stephen King books. Don't blame Hollywood for meeting that demand; blame human nature.

As for "images of torture and cruelty and death everywhere they go," I have only one word: crucifixes.

7/29/2012 10:35:44 AM

SpukiKitty

What the others said about Batman's origins...

And also, the Adam West series, and campy, colorful & fun as it was, was not the norm & seemed to be more of a spoof of Batman & Silver Age Comics Code-bowdlerized superheros in general.

Sure, Indiana Jones may have a fun, rousing, old-fashioned swashbuckling adventure fest with an epic, upbeat score & plenty of humorous, rousing & lighthearted moments...but it was still rife with violence & brutality...Thuggees, child-slavery, human sacrifice via manual heart-extraction, melting Nazis, that big henchman that got pureed by a propeller, the monkey brains...and that's just the first two films!

In the original Star Wars Trilogy, we have such gems as The Aunt & Uncle BBQ, A cantina patron getting his arm sliced of, a scantly clad slave girl that becomes rancor-chow, implied molestation of Leia soon after, disemboweled tauntaun, Empire underlings getting force-strangled, a rebel getting literally strangled/neck-crushed, the sarlacc pit, Han's torture & carbonite inprisonment, a poor unnamed droid getting dismembered to "death", Luke's hand-severing, etc.

And like another poster stated...Un Chien Andalou! A lady gets her eyeball sliced open. A guy has ants coming out of his palm. The same guy sexually gropes the eyeball lady (whose clothing disappears & we see breasts & butt). An androgynous girl who poked a severed hand with a stick before a car runs her down & the main guy pulling a bunch of stuff by ropes consisting of the 10 Commandment tablets, two bewildered Priests (TRIVIA: One is played by Dali, himself) & two grand pianos with real & rotting corpses of donkeys.

There's always been violence & mayhem of varying degrees, Mr. H...just read your own Bible.

Finally, why doesn't this bozo complain about really gross stuff like "The Hills Have Eyes", "Hostel", "Saw", "Human Centipede", etc? Sure, Batman is dark & gritty but it's certainly not "Salo", "Caligula", "Forced Entry" or "Cannibal Holocaust"! Yeesh!

7/29/2012 10:41:26 AM

checkmate



Holy homosexuality, Batman!



Yes, little 1960's boys, those are called "tits". They're wrapped in shiny tight leather and I'm pointing them at you right through your television set.


So much for "clean and wholesome".

7/29/2012 12:09:23 PM

farpadokly

I submit that if you did a movie about a nice, clean-living Doris Day-type housewife with a nice clean family in the suburbs, no-one would go and see it. That's why it doesn't get made.
And, as I'm sure lots of people have pointed out, Batman was a dark, scary character in his very first appearance in 1939. Making the character dark and brooding again was just returning him to his roots.
Is there anything more "dark" than Nosferatu (1922) The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920) or the Universal horrors from the 30's? What about Marlowe's "Doctor Faustus" from 1603, or Shakespeare's Macbeth? What about the tragedies of Sophocles?
"The sick freak who did this was incited by the movie". Nope, he had been planning it for months. And he didn't even get to see it, he was too busy shooting people.

7/29/2012 1:07:29 PM

NonProphet

Wait. He complains about violence in movies, then goes to list Star Wars, Rocky III, & Indiana Jones as "festive and fun" counter-examples?

This guy is either a Poe, or has never seen those movies.

7/29/2012 1:20:37 PM

Zeus Almighty

There were members of Congress in the 1940s going on about Batman and Robin being gay and luring boys into their depraved homo, crime-fighting lifestyle.

7/29/2012 1:21:43 PM

breakerslion

Okay children, the 1960's Batman series was supposed to be a satire, written and staged for adults. Satire. The kid connection was a bonus that kept it alive, predictable perhaps, but not the original intention.

Anyone who saw the train station scene in Gone With the Wind would not agree with your theory, Matthew.

Oh, and then there's this:

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bauerle/disaster.htm

7/29/2012 1:23:06 PM

ScrappyB

Uh, didn't Batman only get campy because of the brutally repressive Comics Code Authority?

7/29/2012 1:47:51 PM

Chatvert

...Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is festive and fun?

Temple of Doom. TEMPLE OF DOOM. The one with the people getting their hearts ripped out of their chests and the child labor trafficking. That movie. Festive and fun?!?!?!

Seriously you could have picked any other Indiana Jones movie, but you chose to pick that one. SERIOUSLY?!?!?!

Oh my goodness. The stupid, it is too much. It's just too much.

Also his point is completely inane as well, but, you know...I focus on the little things so I don't go mad.

7/29/2012 2:46:48 PM

Berny

You see, the thing with movies Matthew is that you don't have to go see them if you don't like them. You also don't have the right to tell us not to make them and see them, however.
The movie didn't make James Holmes shoot all those people, it was simply the stage where he executed his sick play. There is no one to blame but him (and ridiculously lax American gun laws -- but mostly him).

7/29/2012 3:51:25 PM



Actually the recent Batman movies are far, FAR more faithful to the original dark and disturbing Batman comics than that 60's crap.

7/29/2012 6:00:42 PM



in what way is the dark knight worse than stare wars? other than that the effects are much better.

7/29/2012 6:03:45 PM

rebel

If Hollywood is just copying the Gladiator Games, which were real just saying, why would it be to blame for our "decadence?" We are and always have been a depraved and bloodthirsty species, people flocking to see public executions are known. The only difference between then and now, is Hollywood is fake.
Besides, weren't Batman and Robin in a gay relationship during the 60's or something? Aren't you always claiming that Gays are the ultimate evil or whatever?

7/29/2012 10:56:56 PM

Mister SPak

"The 1960's Batman was clean and wholesome. The show was campy and juvenile, too, but it wasn’t a study in abnormal psychology. "

It was also rather gay.

7/30/2012 5:08:10 AM



'Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom'

Seriously? Did he see the same movie as me?

Anyway, it's pretty typical.

7/30/2012 6:26:05 AM

Anon-e-moose

"So yes, I do blame the movie for the deaths of those kids."

Then why weren't there any similar shootings in "Batman Begins" and "Dark Knight" then?! You. Tell. Me.


7/30/2012 7:09:41 AM

WWWWolf

> ...Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, etc., these movies were festive and fun.

Festive and fun? They fucking traumatised me as a kid.

> He wouldn’t have done this at a showing of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Isn't that the one where that Nazi's face melts? God that was horrifying. Next!

7/30/2012 7:24:46 AM

Gawd

All of this started with The Terminator? I'll be damned. And, seriously, Hollywood isn't so much "decadent and evil" as it is banal and silly.

7/30/2012 3:47:13 PM

elphada

Then don't go to the movies. Cut your TV off. Don't rent a DVD. There..solved.

7/31/2012 3:44:26 PM

tmarcl

Ill informed, but not really fundie, in my opinion.

8/1/2012 7:27:47 AM

tmarcl

If the theatre were showing nothing but Davey and Goliath and Veggie Tales after an intense media campaign, blood would still have been shed.

Which could then, definitely been blamed on the viewing material...

8/1/2012 7:31:55 AM



"they don’t go to church, the community institutions that used to bind people to one another have faded away or been forcibly broken up"

Yeah, it's almost as if church is irrelevant, outdated and worthless.

And lol, was the part where the guy gets his heart ripped out of his chest in Temple of Doom your example of family fun?

8/1/2012 10:51:41 AM
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