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WHEN Sally Ride was set to fly on the space shuttle Challenger in 1983 and thus become the first woman in space, Gloria Steinem said, “Millions of little girls are going to sit by their television sets and see they can be astronauts, heroes, explorers and scientists.”

This was of course a ridiculous statement. How many little girls had ever wanted to be astronauts? About as many who longed to be soldiers or fighter pilots. In other words, very few. Steinem’s real point, in keeping with her intense dislike of women, was that women should want to be astronauts and there was something wrong with them if they didn’t.

Ride, who had a warm, radiant smile and is said to have served ably in her two missions in space, died Monday at the age of 61. For all the fanfare that once surrounded it, Ride’s story will likely fade into history and her life ultimately inspire very few girls. This will be so not only because women do not excel at space science or the physical demands of space travel as men do but also because, as Ride’s obituary proved, she did not lead a full life. Ride was in a lesbian relationship with a childhood friend for 27 years.

To her credit, Ride did not make her lesbianism public and was private about her personal life in general. Her sister and the woman with whom she had a relationship, Tam O’Shaughnessy, have released the information to the world and now Ride has the double distinction of being both the first woman and the first lesbian in space. O’Shaughnessy was Ride’s friend since the age of 12. Ride was briefly married to another astronaut, but they were divorced. So while Ride accomplished much in her career, thanks in part to the spirit of affirmative action, she seems to have never fully emerged from childhood.

The only good reason for a normal woman to go through the grueling rigors of becoming an astronaut is that NASA is a great place to meet men. Ride’s life, however, does not even offer that slim hope to little girls, that wonderful compensation for dreary days in a control cabin. Ride flew into space but never experienced other thrills that are as great or far greater. She never gave a man such necessary and life-sustaining love that he was able to do great things, such as fly into space. She never looked up at the stars with her own children and encouraged their wonder. She did not pass on her love of space to a son or daughter or grandchild.

Though she performed capably in her public position as a Role Model of the Century, Sally Ride’s example will likely be the exact opposite of what NASA and Gloria Steinem predicted. She will serve as a reminder of at least some of the very good reasons why women don’t want to be astronauts. The vast majority of women would sooner love an astronaut than be one. And given that most men are destined to perform inglorious jobs for most of their lives, women will come to see that the dream of conquering space rightly belongs to men.


Laura Wood,  Thinking Housewife 98 Comments [7/31/2012 3:31:06 AM]
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Blue the Thief

A self-loathing misogynist?


7/31/2012 8:35:14 PM

Dread Pirate Crotchbeard

And given that most men are destined to perform inglorious jobs for most of their lives, women will come to see that the dream of conquering space rightly belongs to men.



Sassinak would like a word with you.

7/31/2012 8:44:52 PM

myheadhurts

As one housewife to another, go Fuck Yourself!

7/31/2012 8:51:31 PM

Anon

>>How many little girls had ever wanted to be astronauts? About as many who longed to be soldiers or fighter pilots. In other words, very few.<<

Almost exactly half of astronomy PhDs and postdocs in the United States right now are women. Most astronomers wanted to be astronauts when we were kids. Your Argument Is Invalid. Stop Typing.

>>Thanks in part to the spirit of affirmative action<<

Bullshit. The first female astronauts were held to even higher standards than the men were (the Mercury 13 out-tested the Mercury 7 on many things, but were prohibited from selection because they weren't jet pilots - which was irrelevant to their ability to do the job). NASA Astronaut Group 8 drew 35 people, including 6 women, total from a field of eight thousand. That's not affirmative action - that's a lot of qualified people, including thousands of women.

As for Dr. Ride - she got her PhD in physics at Stanford, playing with free electron lasers. You don't get a PhD from Stanford Physics without being very very good.

>>The only good reason for a normal woman to go through the grueling rigors of becoming an astronaut is that NASA is a great place to meet men.<<

...

I can find no words to express the enormity of that fail. And I say that as a sometime employee of NASA.


7/31/2012 9:25:36 PM



"Sure it was great and all that she went into space but OH GOD SHE NEVER HAD A HUSBAND OR CHILDREN!"

Priorities...subjectivity...not your place to decide others.

7/31/2012 9:56:25 PM

Darwin

"Steinem’s real point, in keeping with her intense dislike of women..."

And then Ms. Wood goes on to prove she hates women more than Gloria Steinem ever did.

7/31/2012 10:06:29 PM

WoodRide

Hey Laura Wood, is that anything like Morning Wood? Could you use some wood or are you just a closet clam-slapper?

7/31/2012 10:54:48 PM

michael3ov

I think the 82 comments before me covered everything perfectly so I have just one thing to say...

...fuck you and die!

7/31/2012 11:55:44 PM

Grimsoncrow

Wow...Now, I'll be the first to admit that I'm no expert, but I understand that becoming a NASA pilot involves unbelievable amount of study, workout and in general, almost inhuman effort through many, many years if not decades.And you say that it's a great way to meet guys?? There must be easier ways.

8/1/2012 2:39:04 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Achtung!

Litvak!

lol

8/1/2012 2:54:31 AM

Adrian

And that, ladies and germs, is a textbook example of internalized bigotry, also known as Boomerang Bigotry. This female mysoginist belongs in a museum along specimen of her colleagues the black Klansman, the antisemitic Jew and the homosexual Christian/Jewish/Muslim fundamentalist - provided, of course, that this isn't actually a female, and not a sockpuppeting male sexist...

8/1/2012 3:10:14 AM



Laura is trying so hard at this woman thing you'd think "she" was a recent convert...

8/1/2012 5:01:58 AM

Ludd

I've read some horrible shit on this site over the years but this one really fucking pissed me off. How dare you disgrace Sally Ride's achievements you vapid, delusional moron? You're a fucking joke.

8/1/2012 10:43:34 AM

Anon

@Grimsoncrow:

Dr. Ride was not a pilot - she was a mission specialist scientist. The training was perhaps equally demanding, but with more focus on working with satellites with robotic arms and doing EVAs.

The first female Shuttle pilot was Colonel Eileen Collins, USAF. She retired from astronaut duty in 2006, after four missions (two as pilot, two as commander - including the STS-114, the return-to-flight mission after the Columbia disaster).

Colonel Collins has class. She invited the surviving members of the Mercury 13 to watch her launches, in acknowledgement of their skills.

8/1/2012 8:50:02 PM

Chatvert

I wanted to be an astronaut when I was a kid. Also a fighter pilot. But my eyesight is sadly not good enough and I have a fear of heights, speed, fire, and small places...but I would have overcome it to go to the moon.

In sum: You're wrong. Please stop spewing your nonsense onto the internet.

(Oh and I am a lady in case that is unclear.)

8/2/2012 6:44:05 AM

Anon-e-moose

"The only good reason for a normal woman to go through the grueling rigors of becoming an astronaut is that NASA is a great place to meet men"

I guess you'd also say the same about the female athletes in our 2012 London Olympics, amirite? Nope, no striving for athletic achievement, for the ultimate goal: an Olympic medal; nah, they're just there to get 'picked up'. Amirite?:

Zoe Smith:



Your argument is invalid. In Soviet Great Britain, women pick up you. [/smartarse]

@Dread Pirate Crotchbeard

"Sassinak". A superb example of Sci-Fi. On that basis alone, I can never recommend strongly enough the "2000 AD" comic editions/graphic novel "The Ballad of Halo Jones by the UK's own Stan Lee, Alan Moore, and with the distinctive art of Ian Gibson. Lauded by other comic writers/artists as the finest example of graphic storytelling; also praised by feminists for it's strong central character.

"Possibly the first feminist heroine in comics", wrote The Observer of Alan Moore's epic tale of one woman's search for her place in a galaxy out of control. "Originally published in 2000 AD and then collected by Titan Books, this classic tale of future alienation and an individual's struggle remains a timeless testament to the genius of Moore. Beautifully illustrated by artist Ian Gibson, this is the ultimate sci-fi opus. Don't dare miss it!"

8/2/2012 8:48:12 AM

Carbonated Margarine

"She never looked up at the stars with her own children and encouraged their wonder. She did not pass on her love of space to a son or daughter or grandchild."

Daughter? But... but... if she encouraged a girl to love outer space, that girl might want to grow up to be a ...*GASP*... astronaut!

8/2/2012 2:13:54 PM

Dread Pirate Crotchbeard

@Anon-e-moose: And I WILL be looking Halo Jones up. Thanks for the recommendation!

8/3/2012 2:54:08 AM

Robespierre

Good job, Thinking House Negro.

8/3/2012 3:08:46 AM

tranz2deep

I would rant at you, but you are so small, so petty, that all you can do is try to demean a woman you know to be out and out *better* than you now that she's dead.

You're just not worth it.

8/3/2012 1:11:09 PM



One of my best friends teaches small children, and you know what? A great deal of the little girls want to be heros of their own stories. They want to be Sally Ride.

In the name of these wonderful children, in the name of brilliant women, in the name of men who want to be with brilliant and accomplished women, fuck you.

Oh, just a ps, men don't need reassuring cuddles to achieve either. This is sexist against both genders.

8/3/2012 3:32:08 PM



People should be free to choose any path in life that makes them happy and does not hurt others. If they decide to lead and inspire and achieve as Sally did, we all benefit. I chose science too. I don't demean your choices. Why can't you respect mine? Judge not lest ye be judged.

12/27/2012 7:36:14 AM



Yes Laura, I for one (a man) wanted to be an astronaut. Not for the danger, not for the thrill, but because I wanted to be the first man to Uranus ! ( ba-da-ching , I'm hre till Tuesday, try the veal)

12/27/2012 1:32:11 PM
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