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Tyrrell: These liberals are bloodless, they are just cold-blooded people. They ought to open their hearts to conservatives, frankly. In writing this book, ‘The Death of Liberalism,’ I came to the conclusion that they are dead—they are brain dead—they simply can’t look at anything that contravenes their value system, they turn their back on it…

Fischer: It’s been interesting to me in talking to liberals, and I’m sure you’ve had this same experience, the conclusion I’ve come to is that they cannot be reasoned with because logic means nothing to them, facts mean nothing to them, history means nothing to them, reason means nothing to them. They just have these very strong feelings and the strength of those feelings in their minds is all they need to validate the positions they take. So I’ve just come to the conclusion that liberals cannot be reasoned with they can only be defeated.

R. Emmett Tyrrell and Bryan Fischer, Right Wing Watch 64 Comments [8/1/2012 7:06:14 AM]
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dionysus

They ought to open their hearts to conservatives
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In writing this book, ‘The Death of Liberalism,’

Call me crazy, but maybe writing a book called 'The Death of Liberalism' isn't the best way to get liberals to warm up to you.

8/1/2012 7:16:09 AM

Skyknight

@Dionysos: I have a feeling it's less about getting liberals to warm up to them, and more about "opening the eyes" of moderate conservatives...

8/1/2012 7:21:33 AM

He Who Doubts

Yeah I've heard this one, it's called psychological projection. It was first developed by Freud, and involves someone avoiding their own failures and negative traits.

8/1/2012 7:24:54 AM

Nihlum

My poor irony meter, what did it do to deserve this?

8/1/2012 7:32:40 AM

dionysus

@Skyknight

I agree, but the words he used still contradict themselves.

8/1/2012 7:33:24 AM

Nagol

You two need to see a psychologist. You have issues.

8/1/2012 7:53:00 AM

SpukiKitty

We now return to "TOTAL IRONY THEATER"!

8/1/2012 8:01:44 AM

Mister Spak


8/1/2012 8:07:31 AM

Metallic Space Dragon

Man, that mirror you two are holding up is really shiny. Let me get my welder's hat.

8/1/2012 8:08:20 AM

Mayhem

Well, are they cold-blooded or bloodless? Because they can't be both.

Also, pot meet kettle.

8/1/2012 8:08:39 AM

Tatsukun

So if "rejects these two nutjobs" = "liberal" I guess the world is %99.5256 liberal. Sweet.

8/1/2012 8:16:44 AM

Power Skunk

I can't tell. Is that glare coming from the shiny mirror or has another one of my irony meters gone thermonuclear?

8/1/2012 8:25:42 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the most hypocritical of them all?

Between Tyrrel and Fischer, it's hard to make a choice. Either way, the irony is palpable.

8/1/2012 8:51:10 AM

Amadan

"... that liberals cannot be reasoned with they can only be defeated."

And here we have the central purpose of all this: (a) rationalise your inability to win an argument and (b) dog-whistle up some good ol' violent revenge fantasies among your not-particularly-well-educated followers.

Reich-wingers are verrrry predictable.

8/1/2012 8:52:35 AM

Power Skunk

I can't tell. Is that glare coming from the shiny mirror or has another one of my irony meters gone thermonuclear?

8/1/2012 9:02:20 AM

Raised by Horses

Reason and logic? I can't win by these rules. THESE RULES SUCK!

8/1/2012 9:04:34 AM



I think I may have been temporarily blinded from the intense glare of that INCREDIBLY SHINY FUCKING MIRROR!

@Amadan
"Reich-wingers"
You, sir or madam, win an internet!

8/1/2012 9:20:26 AM

Papabear

I see that your definition of "cannot be reasoned with" simply is that they won't agree with you, no matter how often or how loudly you spew your "case."

8/1/2012 10:37:22 AM

Ebon

Pure projection.

8/1/2012 10:53:07 AM

Meeeh

the conclusion I’ve come to is that they cannot be reasoned with because logic means nothing to them, facts mean nothing to them, history means nothing to them, reason means nothing to them.

SNARK! That was hilarious!

8/1/2012 10:59:29 AM

Wehpudicabok

The irony here is simply off the charts.

We aren't the ones who start conspiracy theories about scientists who say things we don't like.

8/1/2012 11:03:17 AM

freako104

That mirror is blinding

8/1/2012 11:21:57 AM

J. James

Wow. So this is how people react when their entire argument is built on lies and unconvincing fallacies. They immediately accuse the other side of having no respect for the "facts."

8/1/2012 12:03:04 PM

Brendan Rizzo

I hate to come back just to give a doom-and-gloom prediction, but I believe that Tyrrell is correct about one thing. Liberalism is dead. The authoritarians will never stop waging the culture war until they win, so a victory by the liberals is impossible. Society is decadent enough that nobody cares about the steady erosion of our rights, but even without that, we would still be doomed. Authoritarianism has beaten reason many times before. The ancient Greeks, for instance, invented logic and were skeptical of organized religion, but when a certain, formerly minor, cult gained an explosive following, all knowledge of rationality was lost for a millennium, and the world once again went under religion's thrall. The way things are currently going, America will become a theocracy and start a second Dark Age. No amount of education has stopped the popularity of creationism. Likewise, racism was all but unknown until Europe conquered the entire world and rewrote history to eliminate the accomplishments of non-Europeans. Right now, China is rising inexorably, and Chinese people are known to be racist. What will stop them from initiating imperialism Mk. II? There will certainly be scientific racists in later centuries; they will assuredly be Chinese. If that weren't enough, the radical Islamists will probably take over Europe, undo all its social advances, persecute gays and atheists and send women back to the kitchen. The reactionaries are winning, and nothing we do can stop them. The current era of equality and reason is numbered.

8/1/2012 12:23:05 PM

Mister Spak

I semi agree. Until liberals learn fundies don't have any respect for facts and logic they won't be able to stop the conservative takover. Until liberals realise they should kick fundies in the balls and then demand they apologise for being kicked in the balls liberals will lose badly.

The only bright spot I see is the rapidly rising number of atheists in the American population. If the number of fundies falls low enough there may be a tipping point where the entire fundie-moron complex will collapse.

One dark cloud here is the christian fundies will feel threatened enough that they will join forces with the muslim fundies and boost their numbers to keep the fundie-moron complex going.

Another is the corporate cons will find a startegy to maintain a large enough supply of atheist low information voters to keep the president Bushs and governor Walkers in power.


8/1/2012 1:16:17 PM
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