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“I really think he shouldn’t have spoken out so publicly about Congresswoman Bachmann. How does that help him? I mean seriously, how does that help them? I don’t know that it does. We’re a base that’s pretty important in this election,” he said, adding that he thinks most Tea Party activists side with Bachmann and not Boehner in this case. The response shows just how central fighting the perceived threat of Islamic infiltration and Shariah law has become in the Tea Party movement in recent years.

Zawistowski said Boehner’s comments speak to a bigger problem in Washington with political correctness. “You know, we’ve been asking a lot the question: What is treason today? What is our definition of treason? To me, it means you’re conspiring to overthrow the government of our country. And we seem to find a lot of people that are doing that on our soil. I mean, what are they teaching in the mosques? They’re teaching jihad, right?” he said.

Zawistowski continued, “Yes, we’re a free country, and that’s a disadvantage at times because our free speech and our laws allow people to operate in our country that certainly couldn’t operate in the Soviet Union or China or anything like that, but where’s the line?”

Tom Zawistowski, Salon.com 60 Comments [8/1/2012 7:39:53 AM]
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Nagol

Yes, conspiring to overthrow your government and replace it with a theocracy is treason. I'm sure you'll say this to any fundamentalist Christian who wants the United States's government to be run according to the bible and not the Constitution.
By the way, if you're not happy with our freedom of speech, you could always move.

8/1/2012 7:51:36 AM

Mister Spak

"How does that help him? I mean seriously, how does that help them? I don’t know that it does. "

It doesn't help him but it may help America. OTOH he has done a lot of harm to America by his pandering to the teabaggers so this doesn't impress me.

" We’re a base that’s pretty important in this election,”

That's why America has been harmed so much in the last 30 years.

"“Yes, we’re a free country, and that’s a disadvantage at times because our free speech and our laws allow people to operate in our country that certainly couldn’t operate in the Soviet Union or China or anything like that, but where’s the line?”"

Yes where's the line? Can I call you an anti American AL Qaeda-like religious extremist and a threat to America? Can I call you a socialist teabagger? Can I complain that Michelle Bachmann hasn't shown us her birth certificate? Or is that over the line?

" I mean, what are they teaching in the mosques? They’re teaching jihad, right?”

The beam in your eye, christian. I mean what are you teaching in your churches? You're teaching crusade, right?

8/1/2012 7:56:09 AM

Mayhem

Between the two, I'd rather have a Boehner.

8/1/2012 7:59:41 AM

John

What is our definition of treason? To me, it means you’re conspiring to overthrow the government of our country.

Dictators throughout history have attempted to label anything they didn't like as "treason". The Founding Fathers in the US understood that, and so they defined treason very carefully to make sure it wasn't used as a way for people to purge their political enemies.

Where's the line? Read the Constitution. It's very clearly defined - in fact it's the only crime actually defined right in the Constitution rather than being left to Congress: "Article 3, Section 3: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

Note the emphasis - overt act. You can't commit treason with words; you have to actually do something.

8/1/2012 8:14:52 AM

Metallic Space Dragon

People like you are the reason why treason is the one crime that is specifically defined in the Constitution of the United States of America. And no, it doesn't include just being Muslim and/or going to a mosque.

For all the lip service you teabaggers give about defending the Constitution you sure seem to know jack about what's in it.

EDIT: John beat me to it, and quoted it no less.

8/1/2012 8:17:08 AM

Kulgur

" I mean, what are they teaching in the mosques? They’re teaching jihad, right?"

Glad you asked. The answer is "No". Next question, please.

8/1/2012 8:18:27 AM

breakerslion

"Yes, we’re a free country, and that’s a disadvantage at times because our free speech and our laws allow people to operate in our country that certainly couldn’t operate in the Soviet Union or China or anything like that, but where’s the line?" (emphasis added)

1. I thought you needed a license to practice medicine before you could operate.

2. If the line was where you wanted it to be, you would have crossed it yourself (see bold above) and they would be coming for you.

3. What John said.

8/1/2012 8:38:36 AM

Amadan

"What is our definition of treason? To me, it means you’re conspiring to overthrow the government of our country. "

It would be instructive to hear this gentleman's opinion of the actions of the Confederate States. Was that treason?

8/1/2012 8:41:48 AM

fishtank

Absolutely EVERY mosque ever produces terrorists like a barracks in Age of Empires. PUH-LEASE.

Xenophobic dick.

8/1/2012 8:45:17 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

"I mean, what are they teaching in the mosques? They’re teaching jihad, right?”

No, the vast majority of Muslims are NOT teaching radical Islam and you're an ignorant racist for thinking so, unless you can provide proof to back your claims, which I highly doubt.

8/1/2012 8:58:16 AM

Raised by Horses

“Yes, we’re a free country, and that’s a disadvantage at times because our free speech and our laws allow people to operate in our country that certainly couldn’t operate in the Soviet Union or China or anything like that, but where’s the line?”

The line is between civil rights, including freedom of speech, and ignorant berks like you who think they are "a disadvantage at times".

8/1/2012 9:14:24 AM

Robespierre

I suppose the line still stands at "clear and present danger", though it seems to be even stricter at times. You CAN argue for overthrowing of the government, as long as you don't point weapons at people or actively prepare bombs in your basement.

8/1/2012 10:25:21 AM

Papabear

What are they teaching in mosques? You should worry about the timber in your eye. What the hell are they teaching in churches? That anyone would be a supporter on Bachman or Boehner is deeply disappointing.

8/1/2012 10:26:14 AM

Ebon

" I mean, what are they teaching in the mosques? They’re teaching jihad, right?"

By and large, no they're not.

8/1/2012 10:46:31 AM

farpadokly

1952: commies.
2012: muslims.

8/1/2012 11:00:51 AM

Osiris

Damn this whole freedom and liberty thing, why can't it just apply to me?

8/1/2012 11:03:54 AM

freako104

Did you just say freedom is a disadvantage? Also did you just admit the tea party is about treason? And your question about mosques is beyond stupid. You have failed

8/1/2012 11:07:48 AM

J. Ja

Who would have thought that the Republicans would have grown so radicalized over the past two decades, they'd ressurect ol' Joe McCarthy?

8/1/2012 11:57:35 AM

Brendan Rizzo

I always thought Republicans were anti-communist...

8/1/2012 12:34:28 PM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

@John

Actually, counterfeiting US currency, or states trying to issue their own currency is also clearly defined as a crime in the constitution as well. It's also the other thing that the Secret Service is in charge of dealing with.




8/1/2012 12:56:15 PM

nikt wazny...

I'm just going to sit here and giggle because his last name shares a root with "envious"/"zawistni" in Polish.

8/1/2012 1:01:10 PM

Doubting Thomas

Good to know that McCarthyism is alive & well in 2012. I hope the Republicans take away my rights soon so that I'll be safe from the people who want to take over the country and take away my rights.

8/1/2012 1:38:57 PM

nazani14

This whole thing is even stupider than the McCarthy era witch hunts. Back then there actually were a few people who supported the Communist Party and spied for the Soviets, though none in government. There is absolutely no evidence that anyone in the Federal government has become a jihadist sympathizer, let alone a spy.

8/1/2012 1:51:18 PM

Meishayuri

No Communism to see here, move along.

8/1/2012 2:14:06 PM

Dewey Cheatham

"...our free speech and our laws allow people to operate in our country that certainly couldn’t operate in the Soviet Union..."

Errrm, OF COURSE jihadists can't operate in the Soviet Union -- it hasn't existed in two decades.

History and G&P FAIL

8/1/2012 3:13:34 PM
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