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Formal prayer has been taken out of our schools. How about this idea? Read from the book of Proverbs from the Bible. Proverbs is a book of wisdom. Proverbs is in the Holy Scriptures for Christians and Jews. As for other religions — the wisdom won’t do them any harm. This nation was built on Christian and Jewish values and the Bible was actually used in the classrooms in our early days. To toss the very foundation on which our country was built because of political correctness is wrong and we see the results in society today. I say have a reading out of Proverbs each day in our classrooms. What do you think?

Rep. Debbie Riddle, TFN Insider 223 Comments [8/3/2012 3:33:37 AM]
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8/3/2012 3:42:15 AM

OhJohnNo

Not too bad at all by this site's standards ("the wisdom won't do them any harm" indeed). Says a lot about this site, really.

8/3/2012 3:44:37 AM

Adrian

"Formal prayer has been taken out of our schools. How about this idea? Read from the book of Proverbs from the Bible. Proverbs is a book of wisdom. Proverbs is in the Holy Scriptures for Christians and Jews. As for other religions — the wisdom won’t do them any harm."

Except that this (questionable) "wisdom" is still religion-based, and that doing what you suggest would still constitute giving undue preference to a specific religion, ya twit!

"This nation was built on Christian and Jewish values"

No, your nation was built on Enlightenment values. I know that and I'm not even Murikkan... Read your own Funding Fathers, bitch!

"I say have a reading out of Proverbs each day in our classrooms. What do you think?"

Since you asked, I think you're a moronic fundie cunt clumsily attempting to circumvent the First Amendment. It didn't work for ID, it won't work for you.

8/3/2012 3:47:57 AM

Robespierre

Pray in school all you like, as long as you don't interrupt classes or force other people to do the same.

8/3/2012 4:00:59 AM

Reynardine

I think we'd do better to read from Aesop's Fables.

8/3/2012 4:02:54 AM

N. De Plume

So will reading from whatever Muslims, Hindus Buddhists, or any other religion consider to be a “book of wisdom” do the Christianson and Jews any harm? If not, why not include them?

8/3/2012 4:11:14 AM



There are lots of people who think the Quran has wisdom that won't do anybody harm, too, but I have a feeling you don't want them shoving that down your throat.

And where religion is concerned, the country's foundation is non- establishment of a state religion.

8/3/2012 4:13:42 AM

Arctic Knight

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion...."
Treaty of Tripoli, article 11 (1789)

..."all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land...."
U.S. Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2

By the power of Supreme Law of the Land, the U.S. was NOT founded on Christian values, as you claim.

8/3/2012 4:14:52 AM

Gawd

I think it's silly and pointless; that's what I think.

8/3/2012 4:21:22 AM

LAchlan

I think STFU, NOOB!

8/3/2012 4:21:32 AM

Prager

I think you're an idiot.

8/3/2012 4:25:09 AM

fishtank

Why not read a Mark Aurel proverb every day?

His spiritual stoicism is very well suited for our dire times.

8/3/2012 4:25:39 AM

Raised by Horses

As literature, sure. As material for proselytizing kids, no.

8/3/2012 4:34:10 AM

Leighton Buzzard

... wait, what? The US was built on Jewish values? That's a new one. Lady, you don't know bupkes about Jewish values, especially if you think they are the same as your fundagelical values.

8/3/2012 4:46:12 AM

Doubting Thomas

We didn't "take out" prayer from schools because of political correctness. We did it because of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

If you can show us anywhere in any of the founding documents where it says that this country was founded on Christian principles, then we'll let you read the bible in schools.

8/3/2012 4:47:39 AM

Mudak

Proverbs 1:26 "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;"

How about teaching kids compassion instead?

8/3/2012 4:55:39 AM

Philbert McAdamia

I think we'd do better to read from Mark Twain, or Ben Franklin.
Then again, I think we'd do better to read from Donald Duck, than The Babble.

8/3/2012 5:06:16 AM

dionysus

I don't mind but I'd also like to see other bits of wisdom thrown in there too. Maybe some Buddhist philosophy, some Pagan sayings, some atheist quotes, but mostly inspiring quotes from famous people that will hopefully teach students something important about life. If you have an issue with that then I cannot support your plan. If we're going to teach Christian philosophy then we need to teach others as well. Still, not super fundie.

This nation was built on Christian and Jewish values

No, it wasn't. Most of the commandments are not illegal under US law and even if you just focus on the top 10 (the ones that were supposedly so important that they were written in stone), only about 3 of them really have any kind of legal force behind them in the US: no killing, no stealing, and no lying (but only in court or in the form of libel). Then when you remember that even the Babylonians thousands of years ago had laws against those (as did any major civilization) it really throws any notion of being based on Christianity right out the window.

the Bible was actually used in the classrooms in our early days

Yes, and they also thought disease was caused by demons or an unbalanced humors. You really wanna base what's taught in school on what was taught over 200 years ago?

To toss the very foundation on which our country was built because of political correctness is wrong

Right. Which is why it doesn't matter how many Christians are offended, we can't teach the Bible in school, at least, not as science and history. THAT would be wrong (demonstrably so) and there's no being politically correct about it.

8/3/2012 5:12:35 AM

Unbeliever

> This nation was built on Christian and Jewish values

B.S.

a) There were not that many Jews in the US up until late 19th century, when they were driven out of Europe by the massive rise of anti-semitism.
b) When the Jews came here, they were treated as 2nd-class citizen. Better then the Blacks at that point of time, but not equal to Whites.

8/3/2012 6:16:41 AM

Mister Spak

How about this idea? Read from the koran. As for other religions - the truth of the koran won't do them any harm.


Why is your head swelling up and making ominous noises?

8/3/2012 6:18:33 AM

Dr.Shrinker

And which version of "Proverbs" would you use? The King James Version? The NIV? The Geneva Bible version? The Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormon's version? The Hebrew version is probably out (and I doubt that you were pushing for that one anyway.)

No matter what answer you give you are going to have a lot of angry people to deal with. Good luck with that.

8/3/2012 6:21:27 AM

KittyKaboom

I say I'll take you, the teacher and the school system to court for confusing the hell out of my children.

You brainwash your own children if you feel so moved. Leave mine the fuck alone.

8/3/2012 6:29:44 AM

Apatheist

WHO ELECTS THESE PEOPLE?!

8/3/2012 6:51:58 AM

anevilmeme

For the Nth fucking time: our founding documents the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were written by deists.

8/3/2012 7:03:41 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

The Constitution is the foundation upon which our country was built. It was based on Enlightenment principles and philosophy, which were largely a reaction against Christianity.

8/3/2012 7:09:04 AM
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