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I have a couple of questions for the atheists, agnostics, evolutionists and secular humanists: Since there are more “religious” people than you and you want to eliminate us, why can’t we just eliminate you first? Isn’t that what Hitler did to some 10 million people he felt did not contribute to the plan he deemed best for society? (Let the record show, I am not advocating, merely asking.) Is what Hitler, Mao, Stalin did “wrong?” Why?

Ben Kinchlow, wnd 47 Comments [8/13/2012 3:34:58 AM]
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#1433912

COVIZAPIBETEFOKY

Yes, we advocate Eugenics. Since the natural world operates in that way, there cannot be any logical manner in which we could morally promote any other ideal.

8/13/2012 3:56:26 AM

#1433920

christian leftie

As with most mainstream Christians, I believe in evolution. But by your argument, I want to destroy all religious people, and that would include myself?

8/13/2012 4:07:47 AM

#1433922

Voice of Humanity

You'd think they'd know better than to play the Hitler/Mao/Stalin combo by now. But the elimination thing really freaking aggravates me, how do they jump to that kind of conclusion? I know so many of them think ideologies are some kinda zero sum game but to accuse a belief systems adherents of harboring an intent to kill so many with no evidence defies comprehension.

8/13/2012 4:08:07 AM

#1433933

Robespierre

Hope that people were not ignorant, superstitious assholes =/= desire to kill them.

8/13/2012 4:24:34 AM

#1433936

Filin De Blanc

The old "how can non-religious people have a sound basis for morality" canard. The thing is, Kinchlow's morality isn't soundly-based at all; it's based on "that guy told me to do this". That's entirely arbitrary.

8/13/2012 4:26:19 AM

#1433967

Reynardine

Aside from your assertion that we want to eliminate you...well, you're finally telling the truth, aren't you?

8/13/2012 4:54:37 AM

#1433984

Mister Spak

I have a couple of questions for the christianists, teabaggers, rapture retards and fundies: Since what Hitler did to 10 million people was authorised by god, why shouldn't we kill you before you kill us? (Let the record show, I am not advocating, merely asking.) Is what Hitler, Mao, Stalin did “wrong?” Why?

8/13/2012 5:17:26 AM

#1433987

Atheissimo

According to the Bible it's not wrong, just aimed at the wrong people.

Just ask any one of the many tribes God ordered wiped out by the Israelites.

The fact that you and many of your brethren appear to be one Holy edict away from a killing spree suggests the Bible might not be a sound basis for morality.

And if God asked you to kill unbelievers, but you refused, why would that be? Could it be that there is another source of morality from somewhere other than your book?

8/13/2012 5:20:28 AM

#1433988

Doubting Thomas

First of all, we're not trying to eliminate theists. Secondly, are you saying that you should be allowed to be like Hitler? Is this what they call a self-Godwin?

8/13/2012 5:20:37 AM

#1434012

Ebon

"Isn’t that what Hitler did to some 10 million people he felt did not contribute to the plan he deemed best for society?"

No, it isn't. Hitler killed millions of people. Atheists (well, some atheists) seek to convince people there is no god by rational argument. This is an example of the free exchange of ideas, generally considered one of the basic requirements of democracy.

8/13/2012 5:45:47 AM

#1434031

John_in_Oz

I'm supposed to want to eliminate you? Oh damn, I'm never up with the program.

8/13/2012 6:06:16 AM

#1434069

Horsefeathers

"Since there are more 'religious' people than you and you want to eliminate us, why can’t we just eliminate you first?"

Because you're not very good at it. You've tried, unsuccessfully, for several thousand years.

And no, I don't want to "eliminate" you. Be religious all you like, just keep it to yourself and out of politics.

"Isn’t that what Hitler did to some 10 million people he felt did not contribute to the plan he deemed best for society?"

You realize you're comparing yourself to Hitler, right? Not only that, you appear to be comparing yourself to him favorably.

"Is what Hitler, Mao, Stalin did 'wrong?' Why?"

You need me to explain it to you? Wow.

8/13/2012 7:09:34 AM

#1434071

dionysus

The difference is that we want to "eliminate" religious people through education and getting people to give up their superstitions and are doing it the long (and usually frustrating) way because the short way (Hitler and Stalin's way) is horribly immoral. You, on the other hand, actually seem to be considering the short way of removing atheists and that makes you a terrible person. As for why Hitler and Stalin's way is wrong, it's because they killed people. You don't need a God to tell you that that's wrong and I feel safer around a person who can figure that out themselves than someone who has to be told that killing is wrong.

8/13/2012 7:12:56 AM

#1434083

emau99

Since...you want to eliminate us...

Whoa, whoa, hold on. Who the hell ever said such a thing?

...why can’t we just eliminate you first?

Religious folk tried their best to do just that. Consult any history book. Hell, consult your own Bible (I'm assuming that you're a Christian).

Isn’t that what Hitler did to some 10 million people he felt did not contribute to the plan he deemed best for society?

No, actually, it isn't. You're claiming (wrongly) that nonbelievers are trying to "eliminate" believers. There is no analog of such behavior for the Jews in Germany during Hitler's rise to power.

Put simply: your analogy fails.

By the way, Hitler exploited religious prejudices to unite his followers against a hated minority. Sound familiar, Ben?

(Let the record show, I am not advocating, merely asking.)

You're "merely asking" a loaded question. It's like asking if you still beat your wife; the implication is that nonbelievers don't have a moral compass.

Let me put it another way--if the voice of God commanded you to kill somebody, would you do it?

Is what Hitler, Mao, Stalin did “wrong?” Why?

If you don't think that it's self-evident that killing tens of millions of innocent people is inherently wrong, then there's very little hope that you'll understand my answer.

8/13/2012 7:57:12 AM

#1434089

Nagol

Actually I don't want to eliminate religious people, but thanks for arrogantly assuming that I did.

8/13/2012 8:02:27 AM

#1434098

Swede

Who says we want to eliminate anyone? That's usually your MO, not ours. Why do you think we want to eliminate you? This question says more, much much more about you, than it does about us.

In Sweden, somewhere between 50 and 80 percent of the population is non-religious. We still haven't eliminated the few who really are religious, as we have freedom of religion here. I'd say about 99,98 percent are "evolutionists", as in relying more on science and technology than on ancient, contradictory fairy tales.

Hitler was one of you, stupid, he was a religious person, a creationist, who wanted to eliminate a group with a different kind of religion.

What Hitler, Mao, Stalin did was very wrong, yes. Killing a whole bunch of people seldom solves any problems. You just end up with new kinds of problems instead. Trying to get along solves more problems, as does trying to find a common issue, something we can all agree on. Which is what the UN is trying to do, but with some stubborn old mules who veto anything that looks the least bit promising, it's hard to get anywhere really promising...

8/13/2012 8:08:44 AM

#1434108

JSS

As an agnostic myself, I don't feel your silly little loaded questions are really worthy of any consideration, let alone respect, but I digress. If you need "God" to answer why killing millions of humans is wrong than you are the one with the moral growth disorder, not us. You get off that little high horse constructed out of your false sense of importance, grow a few humility cells and get back to me...

8/13/2012 8:31:45 AM

#1434109

Raised by Horses

Yahweh: Psst. Hey. Hey, you!
Abraham: Me, O Lord?
Yahweh: Yes, you. I think you should kill your son.
Abraham: Really? But I like my son.
Yahweh: Yes, but I wanted to make sure that you liked me more. Now go and kill your son to prove your love to me.
Abraham: But... O Lord, did You not say that it was wicked to kill?
Yahweh: NOW MEDAMMIT! NOW!!
Abraham: Well, you must know best. You are the Lord after all. Sorry about this, m'boy. (whips out sacrificial knife)
Yahweh: (waits until the last minute) PSYCH! Just kidding. No need to kill your boy. Killing is wrong, after all.
Abraham: Yes, m'lud.

Yep, now that's a sound basis for morality.

8/13/2012 8:31:57 AM

#1434128

It's not that we want to eliminate you, you can stock around all you like, we just want you guys to stop acting like a bunch of assholes. Disagree with us all you like, we don't give a shit. Just stop trying to make laws that oppress us and trying to kill u.s, that is our major concern

8/13/2012 8:52:47 AM

#1434129

pete

That's "not even wrong", Ben. We sane folk simply want you freaks to stop trying to implement a theocracy. That's all. No one needs to be eliminated.

8/13/2012 8:53:57 AM

#1434144

Micharion

Uh ebon i have seen most arguments and they go nowhere about the existance of god but both sides press the issue they both need to stop this NOT JUST CHRISTIANS.

8/13/2012 9:09:39 AM

#1434153

rubber chicken

Don't be silly, if we eliminated all of you, who would flip my burgers ?

8/13/2012 9:20:11 AM

#1434163

Joe Mama

What? Did I miss where being an atheist means calling for the elimination of all religious people? Or is this just more projection by religious fundies?

8/13/2012 9:31:11 AM

#1434183

Tempus

So...because I understand evolution to be true, you believe I want to murder the majority of my family?

Gravity exists. Does that mean we're supposed to fling each other off of tall buildings?

8/13/2012 9:53:06 AM

#1434194

Huh? Since when do all atheists, agnostics, evolutionists and secular humanists want to eliminate all religious people? Why can't fundies comprehend that just because someone disagrees with them, it doesn't mean that person is actively persecuting them? Is it because they want to destroy everyone who disagrees with them, and can't grasp that not everyone thinks the same way?

8/13/2012 10:10:15 AM

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