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Let us take an accountant. One day at the end of his work, he has found an extra sum of say $10,000. He is 100% sure that if he takes that amount, it won't even be noticed. Now how do you think will he behave.

1) If he is an atheist, he will steal it.

2) If he is a theist, he will not.

This is how we will expect him to behave. So doesn't this mean that God is necessary for morality?

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old comment by David D.G.

I get dizzy trying to follow reasoning that circular -- and projected.
Good grief, God has NOTHING to do with intrinsic morality. It is perfectly possible to have a strong moral code and yet have no belief in God whatsoever; believe it or not, many of us believe in doing the right thing simply because it IS the right thing, not because we think some nosy deity is looking over our shoulder all the time. Conversely, it is also extremely possible to believe in God and still be incredibly immoral, even downright evil; most of the Mafia, for example, have always been devout Catholics. And the immoral actions of more than a few priests, pastors, and televangelists are likewise in serious conflict with this naive idiot's "expectations." If you think that being moral serves God, fine; I wouldn't dream of quibbling on that point. But don't assume that it's the only reason for doing so, or that it automatically follows that theism invariably induces moral behavior. Neither is even remotely true. ~David D.G.

old comment by Mr. Turquoise

So, if no "true" theist has ever stolen, then no "true" atheist has ever NOT stolen...???
Slight tangent, but bear with me. I live in Tokyo. If you drop your wallet on a crowded subway train, the odds are pretty good that you'll get a postcard within a couple of days saying that someone found it (happened to several friends of mine, but I'm personally more careful with my wallet). Most people in Tokyo are Japanese Buddhists. By hello-world's reasoning, either most people in Tokyo are theists (Buddhists aren't BTW), or all "true" theists are actually Japanese Buddhists. So doesn't this mean that Buddhism is necessary for morality and that hello-world is, in fact, a Japanese Buddhist? Mr. Turquoise

old comment by Journeyer

Let's see.

1. I am an atheist.

2. I have never stolen a dime in my life, nor have I ever felt the inclination to do so. The reason for this - tam-tam-taaa - is that I feel stealing from other people is wrong.

3. Very recently the son of a priest here in Norway has been judged personally bankrupt after having gambled away roughly 60 million NOK (about $10M). This was money he scammed himself into, by the way, along with credit and loans guaranteed for by his father. So, the priests son not only abused credit cards and such, but also the trust of his father - a priest.

4. A leader of one local fundie organization has been found guilty of embezzling a great deal of money from the organization and its followers.

Now, the final point: christians do not have monopoly on morality! Get that through your thick skulls!

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"Let us take an accountant. One day at the end of his work, he has found an extra sum of say $10,000. He is 100% sure that if he takes that amount, it won't even be noticed. Now how do you think will he behave.

1) If he is an atheist, he will steal it.

2) If he is a theist, he will not.

This is how we will expect him to behave. So doesn't this mean that God is necessary for morality?"

Let us take a famous Hollywood film/TV star/director. One day, after seeing the awful scenes in Haiti, he organises a telethon to raise money to create a relief fund, so as to contribute to the 100% help the Haitians need.

He raises $300 million. The Haitians are sent the help they require.

Let us take a (at the time famous) TV presenter. He has a theme park to build. He sells timeshares in the hotel there. Also requesting 'pledges' towards running his TV station & related organisation. He embezzles much of the 'pledge' money to fund his & his wife's lavish lifestyle. He eventually gets found out and is sent to jail.

One is George Clooney. An Atheist.

The other is Jim Bakker. A 'moral' Christian preacher & televangelist.

This is how we expect fundies to behave. So this doesn't mean that a 'God' is necessary for morality.

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