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What I've said is that we need to respect humans more than we do animals. Whenever we start elevating animals up to, to above that of humans, we've crossed a moral line. For example, if there's a sexual predator out there who has impregnated a young girl, say a 13 year old girl, and it happens in America more times than you and I like to think, that sexual predator can pick that girl off the playground at the middle school and haul her across the state line and force her to get an abortion to eradicate the evidence of his crime, and bring her back and drop her off at the swing set, and that's not against the law in the United States of America. I have told Wayne Pacelle and the people who believe we should focus all of our efforts on the, on anything they can bring that limits activity around animals, that we need to respect and revere human life first, animal life second.

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Congressman Steve King (R), Think Progress 97 Comments [8/14/2012 4:04:59 AM]
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"and that's not against the law in the United States of America."

Nothing... there is nothing I can say in response to that which would convey the complete insanity of the person who said that.

8/14/2012 4:10:51 AM

Leighton Buzzard

I think the (R) can be taken as read. Can USAians confirm that the scenario depicted is indeed a Federal crime? the Mann Act rings a bell.

8/14/2012 4:19:18 AM

Filin De Blanc

How the hell does a guy who doesn't even know that kidnapping is illegal manage to become a congressman?

8/14/2012 4:20:15 AM

Frelus

First, what exactly has this got to do with the animal right vs. human right debate?
Second, I am pretty sure this is kidnapping, if he did not take her with her parents' knowledge and agreement.
Third, abortions have, I think, to be permitted by the parents, although I do not know if this is true, as I do not live in the USA.

8/14/2012 4:23:07 AM

Titania

You, sir, are an idiot.

8/14/2012 4:44:29 AM

michael3ov

We truly need a massive movement promoting rationalism in the U.S. People like this should not even come close to the capitol.

8/14/2012 4:48:43 AM

Robespierre

I must be drunk. What does this have to do with animals? Anyway, statutory rape, kidnapping and forced abortion are crimes. And this has to be one of the most implausible and specious arguments against easily available abortion that I've ever heard.

8/14/2012 4:54:11 AM

Reynardine

That is one of the biggest non sequiturs I have ever seen.

8/14/2012 4:55:23 AM

madashellnotgonnatakeitanymore

And yet he will still be elected at the next election.

I for one salute our future Chinese overlords.

8/14/2012 4:59:13 AM

Doubting Thomas

Um, I really don't think that happens all that often. And I think statutory rape & kidnapping is very much against the law, not to mention that it becomes a federal crime if you cross state lines.

8/14/2012 5:06:19 AM

JeanP

Abortion (and basic reproductive biology) doesn't work this way!

In the hypothetic case you evoque, he should give her the morning after pill.

As for the fact that forcefuly transport a person across state lines isn't illegal under federal law.. You fail law forever: not only it is illegal but it was a capital offense.

Law tests for aspiring congressmen and decent sex ed and biology courses in the high schools are badly needed.


8/14/2012 5:07:47 AM

Swede

Beside the point, yes; but how many 13-year-olds are at the playground in the first place?

Erm, the evidence of his crime will still be there, stupid. She'll bound to have bruises, and there might still be some of his sperms left in her body.
I bet only a parent or guardian could make doctors perform an abortion on a minor. Isn't there some kind of counseling or a short waiting period before an abortion, to make sure that the person is absolutely certain this is the right thing to do?

Kidnapping a minor and forcing her, without parental consent, to have a medical procedure is not against the law in the US? Are you absolutely sure about this, Mr King?

What does any of this have to do with animals vs humans, and why does it have to be either or? Can't you respect both humans and animals? Sure, if it was a question between saving a person or saving an animal, I'd probably save the human first, but I would not let the animal suffer needlessly if I could help it.

8/14/2012 5:11:16 AM

CanadianBroad

I'm Canadian, and I'm pretty sure that the U.S. (feds) and all states have laws against child molestation, kidnapping, and that all the girl has to do is tell the counsellor at the clinic that she is being forced into an abortion and it's a no-go.

And this is an elected congressman?

Brrrrrrr....

8/14/2012 5:14:03 AM

Voice of Humanity

Jesus Christ, its like the entirety of GOP is on acid or something.

8/14/2012 5:16:20 AM

fishtank

It totally is and Mr. King knows that. He is, however, a dick.

8/14/2012 5:21:09 AM

tmarcl

First: Kidnapping, rape and assault are most definitely against the law. Add to that transporting a minor across state lines for the purpose of rape (though what would the point be, as I'm pretty sure there are no states in the US where 13 is the age of consent).

Second: There is a time frame for when pregnancies are noticeable. In your strawman, you suggest it's pretty immediate. It's not.

Third: What in the world does this have to do with animal rights to begin with?

@Frelus

Third, abortions have, I think, to be permitted by the parents, although I do not know if this is true, as I do not live in the USA.

In some states, I think, it's legal for a teenager to get an abortion without informing her parents.

8/14/2012 5:24:47 AM

Filin De Blanc

There really should be a test you have to do to hold public office that requires demonstrating some sort of familiarity with the actual law you're supposed to be upholding.

8/14/2012 5:35:12 AM

Mister Spak

"that sexual predator can pick that girl off the playground at the middle school and haul her across the state line and force her to get an abortion to eradicate the evidence of his crime, and bring her back and drop her off at the swing set, and that's not against the law in the United States of America."

law fail. And this fundie is a congressman. This is why America is going down the toilet.

8/14/2012 5:43:39 AM

emau99

Sexual abuse of a child is illegal.
Kidnapping is illegal.
Forcing the girl to have an abortion without consent is illegal.
A girl obtaining an abortion without the consent of her parents is illegal in some states.

You are completely, totally wrong, to the point of idiocy.


8/14/2012 6:00:59 AM

Ivy Mike

For those who are asking...

Rep. King was using this nonsense as an argument.

He was arguing AGAINST a proposed federal law against dogfighting.

For those not from the US...

Yes, Rep. King is one of the most insane, stupid, and plain batshit elected officials in the government. He makes Michelle Bachmann almost look sane.

He only thinks of any proposed legislation in two ways: how it will affect or enhance "Teh Ghey Egender"; and how or if it will promote or discourage abortions. Seriously, that seems to be all he ever considers...about anything.

8/14/2012 6:09:34 AM

Filin De Blanc

"He only thinks of any proposed legislation in two ways: how it will affect or enhance "Teh Ghey Egender"; and how or if it will promote or discourage abortions. Seriously, that seems to be all he ever considers...about anything."

Isn't that basically the case for at least 80% of the Republican party?

8/14/2012 6:16:31 AM

breakerslion

@Filin De Blanc

"How the hell does a guy who doesn't even know that kidnapping is illegal manage to become a congressman?"

1. "No Child Idiot Left Behind"

2. NASCAR

3. WWE

4. Rush Limbaugh

5. Mega-Churches

We're a little short of bread that's actually wholesome, but we have plenty of circuses.

8/14/2012 6:29:04 AM

toth

Well, it's true. That's not a crime in the US.


It's several crimes.

8/14/2012 6:39:05 AM

Justanotheratheist

Sometimes, American politicians can sink even lower than their counterparts from the biggest shithole Banana republic on the planet. That you can have an elected congressman publicly state that raping and kidnapping a minor is not a crime is truly mind-boggling, and that's when you thought the Republicans couldn't possibly sink any lower.

8/14/2012 6:39:29 AM

beehummingbird

"force her to get an abortion to eradicate the evidence of his crime"

It doesn't make any sense for some random guy to force a girl to have an abortion, unless he is the one that got her pregnant in the first place.

So, even if this scenario did happen, and there was no other evidence, I would have thought that the act of forcing the girl to have an abortion would be proof enough.

8/14/2012 6:49:15 AM
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