" I would rather have seen the girls forced to faithfully attend Holy Mass each day followed by an hour of bible school — perhaps for a year."
And you think two years in jail is harsh?
Low hanging fruit.
8/28/2012 3:37:33 AM
I think Pussy Riot is a pretty cool band name myself.
8/28/2012 4:12:18 AM
Y'know, if Putin stood for the Republican nomination, he'd walk it.
8/28/2012 4:14:14 AM
Oh My Dog!
may actually have been seriously traumatized for life by the devilish antics of these young, radical feminists.
I rather doubt this; offended maybe, but not traumatized.
I would rather have seen the girls forced to faithfully attend Holy Mass each day followed by an hour of bible school — perhaps for a year.
Of course you would, otherwise you wouldn't be a proper fundie.
In this way their punishment could be served out in the form of rehabilitation. If the girls were encouraged to understand religion a little more they might actually come to appreciate it more fully.
Why would they need to be rehabilitated? Oh I get it, because they disagree with you.
They don't have to appreciate religion. Typical fundies, forcing your beliefs on others. See why people don't like you now?
Edit: And no it wasn't a hate crime, learn the meaning of words before you use them.
8/28/2012 4:27:46 AM
I can understand that they are convicted for singing in a church without receiving the authorisation fom the propetaries* but the sentences are way too tough.
But forcing them to follow religious instruction, as you suggest, would be forced conversion and a violation of their consciences and would be worse than a "mere" sentence of forced labor, which impacts "only" the body.
P.S.: I'm not a fan-boy of Putin.
*(even if the real motive for the sentences is expressing anti-Putin semtiments; they would have been convicted even if they sang in their house)
8/28/2012 4:44:01 AM
I guess you're no fan of freedom of speech or religion then. Oh how could I forget? People like you are only in favor of freedom of speech or religion when it's speech you agree with or your own religion.
8/28/2012 5:20:00 AM
Putin is the new face of democracy.
Pussy riot is a cool band, and those ladies have my complete support.
8/28/2012 5:30:35 AM
"If the girls were encouraged to understand religion a little more they might actually come to appreciate it more fully."
This has been tried on many people. It tends to have the opposite of the desired effect.
8/28/2012 5:36:49 AM
The Russian Orthodox churchs history is just as bloody and dictoria as the Communist Party was. Ever wonder how a whole nation was forced into a Marxist Idealogy? They had one already.
8/28/2012 5:41:48 AM
@Canadiest, without defending the communist party, the blood on their hands is minuscule in comparison to the amount on the hands of the Russian Orthodox Church.
8/28/2012 5:59:18 AM
"Pussy Riot" does admittedly sound like something Cracked.com would ironically hold up as a "good name for a rock band".
8/28/2012 6:09:27 AM
I can see Putins propaganda seeds have taken root in you.
8/28/2012 6:18:30 AM
Percy Q. Shunn
So now you're suddenly concerned with the religious freedom of Russians?
8/28/2012 6:19:45 AM
> @Canadiest, without defending the communist party, the blood on their hands is minuscule in comparison to the amount on the hands of the Russian Orthodox Church.
Not that simple. Russian Orthodox Church, unlike the churches in the West, was completely taken over by the state. It became, pretty much, an unofficial "ministry of religion" in Russian Empire. So all of the blood on their hands is shared with the Russian government.
8/28/2012 6:22:14 AM
What is it with these fundies that share names with gay men?
THE FUNDIE - THE GAY CELEB
Tony Perkins - Anthony Perkins
Rick Martin - Ricky Martin
8/28/2012 6:54:28 AM
Y'know, if Putin stood for the Republican nomination, he'd walk it.<<
There's a Canadian psychologist called Altemeyer, whose career has centered on understanding authoritarianism. In the late 1980's, he and some Russian researchers did a parallel study in the US and Russia. They found that there were roughly equivalent fractions of the population in both countries who tested out high on Altemeyer's psychological questionnaire designed to identify people who were predisposed to be dogmatic rigid supporters of the current power structure.
The only difference: that population in the US were almost all Republicans. In Russia, they were almost all Communists (at the time; now they could be followers of Putin). Altemeyer reasons that the only reason people followed one or the other was the accident of the culture they had been born into.
You can read more about this in Altemeyer's popular-science book, The Authoritarians, which is available free online through the University of Manitoba.
8/28/2012 7:40:39 AM
I would bet my last dollar that these young women learned their contempt for the Orthodox church at Holy Mass and Buybull school.
8/28/2012 8:09:34 AM
People who probably lived through Stalin are going to be 'seriously traumatized for life' by multi coloured balaclava helmets ?
Pussy Riot were jailed for speaking out in a country that does not allow speaking out. The location of their act was, and is, irrelevant.
8/28/2012 8:27:51 AM
"The all girl punk band willfully, maliciously and blasphemously desecrated a Russian Orthodox Church. "
Did they take a dump on the altar? Shed blood on it? Murder inside the premises? Spit or masturbate inside? Use liturgical artefacts in an in any of the aforementioned activities?
No? That was no desecration, then. Get over it.
Search for the name Lindisfarne. That was a desecration.
8/28/2012 8:59:07 AM
The Crimson Ghost
There was no desecration you idiot. They have nothing to be rehabilitaed from; this is just Putin flexing his rather large douche muscles.
I still think he looks like Voldemort.
8/28/2012 9:19:09 AM
Putin has used the Church as a propoganda tool for years. And I believe the song Pussy Riot performed in the church makes reference to this, rather than criticising religion per se. The lyrics actually include an appeal to the virgin Mary. So I'm surprised that you take the side of the corrupted church rather than that of the protesters. Or maybe you just don't actually bother to look at the facts. Hmmm.
8/28/2012 9:26:16 AM
Blasphemy is a victimless crime, fuckwit! Anyway, anybody with two neurons to rub together understands that this is just Putin the autocrat using a transparent pretext to strike at people who dare to oppose him, and the Orthodox church being his servile lackeys.
8/28/2012 10:01:23 AM
And (P)Rick Martin here should should be forced to watch BBC News/read Reuters.com for 20 years, until he realises that Pussy Riot were actually protesting against the dictatorial policies/regime of Vladimir Poo-tin.
'I'm not draconian. And I'll send to the Gulag anyone who says different'
@The Crimson Ghost
Voldemort? Just search in Google images the words 'Putin Dobby'. Legend has it that an aide pointed this out to him, and Poo-tin punched him. Vladimir Poo-tin. Dobby the House Elf. Separated at birth? Are they somehow related? I think we should be told. [/"Private Eye"] (contd. P. 94)
[You're fired. Ed.] X3
8/28/2012 10:12:18 AM
I believe a two year jail sentence is rather harsh for such a crime. I would rather have seen the girls forced to faithfully attend Holy Mass each day followed by an hour of bible school — perhaps for a year.
Oh, HELL no! Talk about cruel and unusual punishment. Can't I just go to hell right now? Judge, please, shoot me now, I beg you.
8/28/2012 10:18:18 AM
I applaud Russian authorities for convicting "Pussy Riot"
To be truthful, in a way I do too, but for diametrically different reasons.
In 20 years those girls will be known as the innocents who started Putin's demise and that of the whole Putin system. They are the poisoned pawn and Putin was dumb enough to play it. Lech Walesa in young, female and cool.
Two years to change and save your country. In retrospect they might be proud of it.
8/28/2012 12:50:52 PM