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In World War II, people died to produce and protect books. Anti-Fascist organizations, American Jewish Groups and writers, editors and journalists launched massive demonstrations in defense of the book, including, on March 10, 1933, the largest march, to that date, in the history of New York City: 100,000 people turned out to express outrage at the burning of books and other events in Germany. In its coverage of the Berlin book burnings, Newsweek used "Holocaust" as its headline.

Today's hi-tech propagandists tell us that the book is a tree-murdering, space-devouring, inferior form that society would be better off without. In its place, they want us to carry around the Uber-Kindle.

The hi-tech campaign to relocate books to Google and replace books with Kindles is, in its essence, a deportation of the literary culture to a kind of easily monitored concentration camp of ideas, where every examination of a text leaves behind a trail, a record, so that curiosity is also tinged with a sense of disquieting fear that some day someone in authority will know that one had read a particular book or essay. This death of intellectual privacy was also a dream of the Nazis. And when I hear the term Kindle, I think not of imaginations fired but of crematoria lit.

Alan Kaufman, Huffington Post 77 Comments [8/30/2012 6:03:57 AM]
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Sure this guy is hyperbolic, but it doesn't hurt to have hard copies.

8/30/2012 6:59:25 PM


I wonder what this guy thinks of libraries? They keep track of what books you check out.

From watching true crime shows, I know there have actually been trials (with convictions) where evidence from library books or records was used.

8/30/2012 9:05:47 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Oh Noes, my Kindle is godwinned!!!

Seriously, find something real to get cranky about.

8/30/2012 11:23:05 PM

This is clearly satire

This is clearly satire, gullible idiots.

8/30/2012 11:37:56 PM

post goes where?

Sounds more CSTDT than fundie.

8/31/2012 12:08:35 AM

Actually, strawman has a point.

Due to the fast turnover of digital media, digitally stored data are in a real danger of being lost.

For example, a decade ago, the 3 1/2" floppy are quite common, but you won't find a single modern machine that's has a drive capable of reading them. Two decades ago the same was true for he 5 1/4" floppy. The data stored on those disks are inaccessible to most people.
Rare media storage such as zip, jaz and tape drives are even less accessible.

On the other hand, books written 20 years ago are still mostly readable and accessible.

The term for knowledge being lost due to digital obsolescence is called "digital dark age".

8/31/2012 12:10:27 AM


@This is clearly satire

Skimming through the whole article on HP (couldn't be arsed reading the whole lot), I think the author is actually genuine in the belief expressed in his post.

8/31/2012 3:58:19 AM

Steven Mading

While this person is a bit hyperactive about it, a move from paper to electronic form for all written word works actually *is* a legitimate concern precisely because in paper form, nobody can use copyright law to try to own the method of storing the book. They can use patent law on the method of creating the book (i.e. a patent on a particular printing press machine), but they can't use copyright law - only he author or publisher can use copyright law to own the stream of English words in the book.

Contrast this with electronic media where copyright law can be used not only on the stream of words in the book, but also on the software that stores it, and displays it, and so on. This means regardless of what the copyright holding AUTHOR has to say about it, the copyright holding software firm can stop you from reading your own purchased books, as has happened on Kindles in the past.

There are real concerns about how many software copyrights are involved in using something like a Kindle and how any single one of them could be used to legally block your access to the material. That doesn't happen with a book. Once you buy it, you own the paper it's on, the ink its' printed with, and so on. When you buy an e-book, you don't really OWN it. You have merely purchased the temporary right to read it.

For now.

8/31/2012 4:34:06 AM

Doubting Thomas

CSTDT property.

They're not restricting or banning certain books, they're just changing the format in which they're distributed. You might as well be claiming that music is being censored because it's not being sold on 8-tracks any more.

8/31/2012 5:25:15 AM

The Duelist


8/31/2012 7:11:52 AM


Christ, why does everything have to be about Nazis? This could be a perfectly reasonable article. You like books and you don't like Kindles. Me too. Now what the fuck does it have to do with Nazi Germany?
Google is a business. Amazon is a business. They want to create revenue and sell stuff. If the government wanted to, they could also monitor what books you buy and check out the library. But why would they care?
"Concentration camp of ideas". Meaningless phrase.

8/31/2012 7:20:02 AM


"And when I hear the term Kindle, I think not of imaginations fired but of crematoria lit."

(*Advertisement voice-over*):

Other e-readers are available.


8/31/2012 7:28:36 AM


I'm not too concerned about corporations 'burning' ebooks remotely, because the simple fact is that as soon as an ebook hits the internet, it will be stripped of DRM and re-uploaded beyond the publisher's control almost immediately.

They can destroy the copy you bought and claim you no longer have the 'right' to read it, but they can't actually stop you reading it. Once they stoop to the level of trying, I doubt anyone would have any real moral dilemma about acquiring the same book by other means, and there isn't a damn thing the publishers can do about it.

8/31/2012 9:46:15 AM

Argle Bargle

People like Alan are the reason why Godwin's law was instituted.

8/31/2012 10:28:43 AM

JB Mason

belongs in CSTDT.

8/31/2012 2:00:49 PM


@#1441349: That's true up to a point, but it's not like data stored on floppy disks, for example, is irretrievable. I myself own at least two older machines with FDDs and I even have an old Zip drive in the loft. I'm sure plenty of other people have hung on to their older kit too. Even if I didn't still own these devices, getting hold of second-hand ones isn't THAT difficult. Important data can be easily transferred to new media if someone is willing to make the effort.

9/1/2012 6:16:38 AM


Streisand effect. Look it up.

9/1/2012 12:55:20 PM

He's got a point, which he probably read somewhere else and mangled into shit about Hitler. And we could probably find where he read it if we had access to his browsing and purchase history...

9/1/2012 2:37:00 PM



9/6/2012 5:06:51 PM


If anything, eBooks are the fascist's nightmare. Unlimited digital copies mean that when a book is published, it can never die.

1/24/2013 2:08:37 AM


I'm reading this on the web browser of a Nook HD+. :-)

3/26/2013 7:38:44 PM


Here I was thinking the value of books lied within the stories inside them, but it turns out it was the ink and paper they were printed on all along.

12/1/2013 7:30:25 AM


I also agree that strawman has a point. That's why I acquire all my books in DRM-free formats, either print or third-party ebooks (or both).

12/1/2013 7:59:02 AM


I'm weirded out by how Kindle has become the iPhone of the reading world. A lot of companies are producing ebooks, why is Kindle the go-to device for most people? This makes me think the same thoughts as this guy. Why unificate and monopolize something which can benefit from competition of several products. The free market is key to a free world. Information is a lot easier to control when there's only one way to access it. I think people who blindly buy the most popular products like iPhone, Kindle or Windows are quite stupid.

6/22/2014 5:18:07 AM


I despise ebooks for the DRM shenanigans they try to pull, but this is ridiculous.

12/28/2014 12:16:29 PM

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