Quote# 89286

How does letting women die rather than giving them an abortion benefit women?

Because far more women are aborted than die as a result of their pregnancies going awry. The very idea that letting a few women die is worse than killing literally millions of unborn women shows that PZ [Myers] not only isn't thinking like a scientist, he's quite clearly not thinking rationally at all. If PZ is going to be intellectually consistent here, then he should be quite willing to support the abortion of all black fetuses, since blacks disproportionately commit murder and 17x more people could be saved by aborting black fetuses than permitting the use of abortion to save the life of a mother. 466 American women die in pregnancy every year whereas 8,012 people died at the hands of black murderers in 2010.

Vox Day, Vox Popoli 48 Comments [9/1/2012 9:41:00 AM]
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Percy Q. Shunn

More racist than fundie, 100% ignorant.

9/1/2012 9:46:03 AM

Doubting Thomas

Wow, I don't even really know where to start with this. I mean, I thought they were being facetious when bringing up black murderers, but no, they're dead serious.

9/1/2012 9:50:59 AM


Racist, misogynystic and factually wrong on top of it all. Vox day is below even those that failed.

9/1/2012 9:56:29 AM

President Camacho

I don't see what's so bad about this. If one accepts the premise that a fetus = baby, this actually makes sense and is logically consistent.

9/1/2012 10:02:13 AM

Leighton Buzzard

All I'm getting from this is that Vox Day (and what a humble pseudonym that is) wants to kill dem niggers. Can't say I'm surprised, either.

9/1/2012 10:03:34 AM

Filin De Blanc

This guy just sinks lower and lower, doesn't he?

9/1/2012 10:05:14 AM


President Camacho,

You are right. I agree.

Except someone should point out that in a lot of cases if the mother dies then the baby will also die. Not all, but some. Would they change their stance then? I suspect not.

I also think that most fathers would take the mother over the child in such situations (not that abortion is really their decision alone). What this means is that this stance is going to piss off both most women and most men. Heck, it pisses me off.

9/1/2012 10:07:12 AM

Rabbit of Caerbannog


9/1/2012 10:12:14 AM


If I am threatening someone's life and the only way to save them is for them to kill me then they are legally allowed to do so in self-defense. Even if there is no willful intent like if I had gone completely insane, it would still be self-defense.

So, this guy is saying fetuses deserve more of a right to life than everybody else.

9/1/2012 10:32:57 AM


@Doubting Thomas: racism and misogyny go with religious fundamentalism like peanut butter goes with grape jelly.

9/1/2012 10:37:09 AM


Oh this fucker again.

Seldom seen a dumber, smugger blogger.

9/1/2012 10:56:20 AM


Congratulations!!!! You've epically failed as a human being!

9/1/2012 10:58:25 AM


This blog entry has been posted previously.
It still doesn't belong here, because it's out of context.
Vox's account of the context is that E. O. Wilson proposed that religious ideas have sociobiological functions. P. Z. Myers dismissed that out of hand. Vox is arguing that there are possible sociobiological functions, and (in effect) that Myers' dissmissal was the unscientific argumentum ad ignoratum.
He is not insisting on the explanations. I doubt that he actually gives any credence to sociobiology.
He says It's important to understand that one need not find these answers to be absolutely conclusive or even convincing to recognize that they are scientifically valid answers, which is to say that they can be used to generate hypotheses and then subsequently put to the scientific test, at least to the extent that social science can reasonably be considered science.

It's not racist either. He is not arguing for aborting blacks. He is anti -abortion. His response is in effect that Myers' logic leads to an absurd conclusion and should therefore be rejected.

As I mentioned the previous time these hypotheticals were posted, Vox is all kinds of crazy, but this post isn't it.

I was flattered to have my FSTDT hero Old Viking endorse my words, and suggest we should just move on.

9/1/2012 11:13:12 AM

Old Viking

This guy can generate idiotic observations with astonishing speed.

9/1/2012 11:14:26 AM


If a female foetus is an "unborn woman" and should be treated as morally equivalent to one, than Vox Day is an "undeceased corpse" and should be treated as morally equivalent to one.

9/1/2012 11:14:51 AM


9/1/2012 11:28:09 AM

Oh My Dog!

Until the fetus's brain is developed enough to support consciousness, it is difficult to argue that it is a person.

I'll choose for the rights of a woman, who is a person already.


Yeah, Not racist like John_in_Oz said.

9/1/2012 11:33:06 AM


letting a few women die

Ok, let's follow this logic further:

Letting lots of old people die early will help save Medicare and many others will be able to get help and live longer. So kiss grandma goodbye. When she croaks, she'll be benefiting you. Rejoice.

Don't save any car accident victims! Let them die. That way there will be less cars on the road, resulting in less accidents. More people will live.

The list could be very long.

I wonder if Vox Day would accept his/her lot "thinking like a scientist" if his/her number were to fall. I doubt it very much.

9/1/2012 12:16:29 PM

since genocide on blacks is not an option I fail to see the relevance of the argument.

Is it better to strap a woman down in a hospital (mental) for say 7 months to prevent her trying to force a miscarriage or obtain an abortion ? Who takes responsibility if she dies in childbirth anyway ? suppose she has one abortion because the child was from a rape, and then goes on to have three more children, all wanted and in a loving home ?

The popular voice will cry for bloodsports and popcorn and beer every time.

9/1/2012 12:21:14 PM


More men than women are born, but more women than men survive infancy.

What part of "banning abortions will not reduce abortion rates" don't you understand, Voxy? The only thing you will achieve is killing living persons along with non-viable lumps of cells.

How many people die at the hands of white murderers?

How many innocent, minors and mentally challenged people are executed in the US each year? Way too many!
How many innocent, minors and mentally challenged people are executed in EU each year? None!

9/1/2012 12:29:45 PM


My diagnosis: thought cancer.

9/1/2012 12:41:12 PM


I wonder if Vox Day has any sympathy for the billions upon billions of brain cells that have died as a result of people reading his inane opinions.

9/1/2012 12:44:11 PM

Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis

"How does letting women die rather than giving them an abortion benefit women?

Because far more women are aborted than die as a result of their pregnancies going awry."


9/1/2012 12:52:43 PM

Oh look, it's that lying, racist misogynist psychopath again.

9/1/2012 1:11:27 PM


I wonder what kind of mom this idiot had. Vox Day? More like Pox Day! He's like a day with chicken pox....except it never goes away! *BLECCH!*

9/1/2012 1:39:29 PM

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