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[Vox responds to this feminist cartoon.]

First of all, Kate being terrified of rape when she goes to get milk is her problem. Some women are terrified of bats, others are afraid of heights, and those fears are no more your problem or my problem than Kate's terror of rape on the milk run. It is very, very easy for Kate to significantly reduce her chances of being raped, as getting a concealed carry permit and avoiding the company of black and Hispanic men will virtually eliminate the possibility that she will be forcibly raped. Even without taking any such defensive measures, the national rate of forcible rape is only 24.7 per 100,000 population, one-third lower than it was in 1990. This means that in a population of 308 million, Kate's chances of being raped in any given year are less than one in 12,000 and declining. This cannot be reasonably described as a "rape culture".

If Kate genuinely lives in constant terror of a one in 12,000 risk, she is delusional and may be clinically paranoid. And this doesn't even begin to take into account that unless a woman is raped at home by someone breaking into her residence, it is very difficult for a woman to get raped without her not only contributing to the situation, but contributing significantly to it. And yes, in such situations, that does make the victim at least partially culpable from a legal perspective. If you don't understand that, try looking at it this way. If insurance companies sold rape insurance, are there any behaviors that would conceivably increase or decrease the premium?

Furthermore, Kate is quite obviously crazy. If she had said "it gets really fucking exhausting trying to believe in a future where I'm not treated like a crazy person for believing in rainbow-tailed unicorns", everyone would quite correctly conclude that she is a lunatic. But there is no more evidence for equality than there is for rainbow-tailed unicorns. Human equality simply doesn't exist and it has never existed. As I have pointed out before, both logic and genetic science demonstrate that human beings are not even all equally human. Her lunacy is further evidenced by her bizarre attempt to justify her broaching the topic with the non-rapist by an appeal to her own exhaustion. That does not follow. Moreover, it is apparent that Kate, by her own admission, doesn't actually believe in equality anyway.

Vox Day, Vox Popoli 106 Comments [9/1/2012 6:43:54 PM]
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Percy Q. Shunn


9/1/2012 6:57:16 PM

Skyknight

..."[N]ot even all equally human"? I think you'd do well to explain what your metrics of human are.

I'm sure I could handily go about explaining how the metrics you supply are overly narrow.

9/1/2012 7:00:46 PM

Wehpudicabok

"First of all, Kate being terrified of rape when she goes to get milk is her problem. Some women are terrified of bats, others are afraid of heights..."

Your condescension is hardly persuasive. Especially considering fear of rape is actually justified.

"It is very, very easy for Kate to significantly reduce her chances of being raped, as getting a concealed carry permit..."

You're missing the point, which is amazing considering Kate explicitly made this exact point in the very comic you supposedly read. If, in our culture, the response to rape is not to crack down on the rapists but to criticize the victims, we have a rape culture. Can you imagine if a bank got robbed and the response from the police was to criticize the tellers for not carrying guns, rather than, oh, I don't know, ARRESTING THE FUCKING ROBBERS?

"...and avoiding the company of black and Hispanic men..."

Wow. Just... wow.

9/1/2012 7:14:59 PM

Skyknight

@Wehpudicabok: Scary bit is, I can actually imagine some gun rights activists castigating the tellers like that...Never mind rape(-succoring) culture. How about hating-everything-but-strength-that-actively-and-willfully-incites-fear-in-all-else culture?

9/1/2012 7:24:47 PM

Wehpudicabok

(continued)

"it is very difficult for a woman to get raped without her not only contributing to the situation, but contributing significantly to it."

Blaming the victim, eh? Classy as ever. I suppose that if you get raped, it's your own fault too? No crying to the police then, eh? You can't - they work for the (god forbid) government!

"Human equality simply doesn't exist and it has never existed."

Holy shit, where do I even begin with this? Um... first of all, when she said she "believes in equality," she meant that she favored the idea of a society which treats its citizens with equal respect, rather than favoring a select few. You know, that batshit idea that lunatic Thomas Jefferson shoehorned into that rambling screed we call the Declaration of Independence?

Second, the fact that there are genetic differences between human beings is 1) completely irrelevant to what is being said, and 2) in no way indicative that their are somehow different species of humans. Maybe that wasn't what you meant by "both logic and genetic science demonstrate that human beings are not even all equally human"? I can't tell. I've had nightmares that made more coherent sense than the average Vox Day post.

I don't know what pisses me off more about you, Vox. Is it the breathtaking stupidity or the complete disregard for basic human decency?


Edit @ Skyknight:

Good Lord. I hadn't even considered that when I wrote that part... How has American society managed to succeed in world affairs if we're so damn stupid?

9/1/2012 7:28:42 PM



er, ehat ! my brain just refuses this, maybe if I close one eye and squint ?

The IPU welcomes all who believe.

I myself am a Moleman .. oh wait , sorry

Yes indeed women go around begging to be raped ..oh wait sorry nope.

Ibelieve the statistics show that most rape is by someone known to the victim, a neighbor, friend , or a date.

not equally human ? comics are NOT REAL ! otherwise wtf ?


9/1/2012 7:35:52 PM

Reckoner

I think we can all agree that Vox Day is not human since he doesn't have an ounce of empathy in his entire body.

9/1/2012 8:12:12 PM

Godlesspanther

If one were to call Vox Day "human" that would be legitimate grounds for an anti-defamation suit on behalf of all humans.

9/1/2012 8:17:10 PM

Oh My Dog!

And if she actually did get raped, it would be all her fault, amirite?

avoiding the company of black and Hispanic men will virtually eliminate the possibility that she will be forcibly raped.

And you're a racist. Lovely!

9/1/2012 8:20:17 PM



Hey a twofer, a comic that spouts false statistics and attributes a self absorbed culture prone to blaming victims for their own misfortune solely on men and misogyny (in my old neighborhood I lived in constant fear of muggers and assault and heard those exact same "common sense" retorts, it doesn't just apply to women and rape but I realize people will naturally focus on the issue as it affects then to the exclusion of broader implications,) and Vox, who by nature offends all living things once words escape his sewer of a brain via his unclean mouth.

9/1/2012 8:34:43 PM

ggggg

Hitler had the right idea. He should've gone after people like Vox Day instead.

9/1/2012 10:19:42 PM

Lotus-thing

Vox, not only are you an ass, you're part of the problem.

9/2/2012 12:57:54 AM

Wehpudicabok

@Wehpudicabok

"that their are"

Really? I typed that? God I'm tired.

9/2/2012 1:02:40 AM

michael3ov

"it is very difficult for a woman to get raped without her not only contributing to the situation, but contributing significantly to it."


Hopefully one day you will do a stint in a maximum security penitentiary and we will see if you feel the same way then.

9/2/2012 1:17:33 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Pox Day. May your arsehole develop painful warts.

9/2/2012 1:20:49 AM

gravematter

"The national rate of forcible rape is only 24.7 per 100,000 population..."
This does assume that every rape is a) reported and b) results in a conviction. Part of what the comic is saying is that this is not the case. Various other statistics give the number of women sexually assaulted as between 1 in 3 and 1 in 6.
Oh yes, and you're a racist, misogynist scumbag.

9/2/2012 2:20:59 AM

ugly girl

Oh, another "it's hard being pretty" type of feminist. Call me when you give a shit about anyone who doesn't wear shirt skirts and heels.

9/2/2012 2:39:07 AM

Robespierre

Once more: the vast majority of rapes are by friends and family, not strangers in an alley.

Oh hi Vox. Die in a fire.

9/2/2012 2:39:23 AM

Mihangel apYrs

after a certain point the only response to this misogynist waste of protoplasm is "DIE"

9/2/2012 2:48:44 AM

louislois

Racist AND Misogynist!

9/2/2012 2:51:24 AM

rebel

Words cannot begin to express the level your stupidity and evil is at. Kindle remove yourself from the gene pool and leave civilization to us civilized folk.

9/2/2012 3:31:07 AM

Ebon

Vox, just die.

9/2/2012 3:40:38 AM

farpadokly

I'm not even touching this one.

9/2/2012 3:42:55 AM

Swede

I don't trust your figures at all. Most women know someone who has been the victim of a rape or an attempted rape, therefore it is not an irrational fear. Most rapists in predominantly white countries are white. Most women are raped by someone they know; a husband, father, brother, uncle, neighbor, cousin, friend, someone who looks just like her. Having a gun only increases the risk of her getting murdered as well as raped. It's better to learn a bit of self-defense; how to throw someone off using their energy, not yours.

Forcible rapes are the only types of rapes, asshole, as rape means "to force someone to have sexual intercourse". In what way could a woman significantly contribute to the situation? By walking alone while female? By taking a shortcut through a park on her way home from choir practice?

Men are raped to, ya know, and not only by other men; women can forcibly rape men too.

There was a case recently of a man who raped his sleeping girlfriend anally. He knew she didn't want anal sex. He avoided conviction by saying that the penis slipped into the wrong hole and he hadn't realized that she was asleep. A concealed carrying permit would not have helped her, and there were no blacks nor Hispanics in their bed.

9/2/2012 5:02:41 AM

WWWWolf

> If Kate genuinely lives in constant terror of a one in 12,000 risk, she is delusional and may be clinically paranoid.

Being concerned for one's safety isn't paranoia when someone really is out there to get to you, even when it's statistically speaking improbable.

In light of statistics, women getting raped is demonstrably much, much, much more probable than fundies getting murdered by evil atheists and/or shadowy liberal government agencies. I mean, the former unfortunately actually happens, the latter does not. Why are you not calling out your fellow fundies for their "clinical paranoia", Voxy?

9/2/2012 5:30:36 AM
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