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It's true that the younger the voter, the less likely he or she is to oppose same-sex marriage. But how strong are those opinions?

One clue arises from the landslide passage of North Carolina's Amendment One defining marriage as between one man and one woman. Public Policy Polling's survey of voters under 30 shows they opposed the amendment, but only marginally (51 percent). SurveyUSA also looked at Amendment One in its final weeks and found a similar result -- with 41 percent of young voters opposing the amendment and 48 percent supporting it. The American Enterprise Institute ran the numbers and found that, even if no one over age 45 had voted in the North Carolina referendum on marriage, it would have passed by around 8 percentage points.

If we're waiting for demographics to usher in same-sex marriage, we might have to wait awhile. The fact is, in 30 states so far, citizens have voted to write into their constitutions that marriage is the union between one man and one woman. National Review's Rich Lowry says that "no referendum simply upholding traditional marriage has ever lost. And even in Maine, voters in 2009 reversed a gay-marriage law passed by the legislature." If gay marriage is to be ushered in through the democratic process, all these results would have to be reversed which, Mr. Lowry estimates, would take a generation.

Rich Lowry points to the 70s-era Equal Rights Amendment which also was seen to be inevitable. Congress passed it in 1972 and 30 states immediately ratified it. Then Phyllis Schlafly raised an army as she pointed out that the ERA would result in things like women being placed in combat positions and losing protections in divorce settlements. Beverly LaHaye started her Concerned Women for America under the rallying cry: "They (the feminists) don't speak for all women." Once the truth got out, only a handful of other states ratified it, and it failed to make it into the U.S. Constitution.

The 60s free-sex crowd foresaw a world of commitment-free physical relationships, with abortion accepted as second-tier birth control. But, unlike them, their kids today are pro-life -- and more are practicing abstinence until marriage.

The fact is young voters often change their political views as they age. And some of the bad consequences of things like abortion and easy divorce cause young people to turn against them. Polls show millenials care deeply about family values. Many are forced, due to the economy, to live at home with parents longer. The happy result is, families are becoming closer. It's not farfetched that the rising millennials could come to see marriage as the cornerstone of a stable family.

Perhaps gay marriage is not inevitable?

Penna Dexter, Baptist Press 27 Comments [9/4/2012 2:57:57 AM]
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The fact that North Carolina voted same-sex marriage down doesn't mean anything. The majority almost always votes against the rights of the minority, which is exactly why civil rights questions (like gay marriage) should not and cannot be settled by the voters.

Gay marriage is still marriage, and a gay relationship can be just as stable as a straight one. If millenials(or you, for that matter) see marriage as the cornerstone of a stable family, then they should want to extend that stability to same-sex families.

Legal gay marriage is going to happen. Probably by judicial ruling. Deal with it.

9/4/2012 4:29:15 AM


Yes, younger people are more likely to support gay rights and equality, but whilst the percentages are higher for young people, the rates of support are rising all the time in other age groups too.

I suspect the wait will not be as long as you hope for. Where I live in the UK, 68% of all age groups support marriage equality for gay people. I cannot recall the latest US opinion polls but whilst the support is lower in the US it is still a majority. Face it Penna, you have lost the argument and barr the shouting most Western Nations, including yours, will legislate and accept marriage for gay couples in the near future.

9/4/2012 5:08:58 AM

Doubting Thomas

So, an extremely conservative state votes down gay marriage, so that means the entire country is going to keep voting against it?

Eventually, it will not come down to votes, it will come down to a Supreme Court decision determining that anti-gay marriage laws are unconstitutional. When that happens, nobody will have to worry about the demographics of voters on the issue, and conservatives will be wailing about how terrible the country has become.

9/4/2012 5:58:50 AM

Mister Spak

We are winning. You are losing.

9/4/2012 6:12:07 AM


You bigots are a dying breed.

Get over it.

9/4/2012 6:50:03 AM


Public Policy Polling's survey of voters under 30 shows they opposed the amendment, but only marginally (51 percent)...

I don't know which PPP survey you're citing, but this one (taken just several weeks before the vote on Amendment One) says differently:

"Reports of strong youth turnout in parts of the state could be a good sign for opponents [of Amendment One]; voters under the age of 30 oppose the amendment by 26 points..."


9/4/2012 7:24:46 AM


It's not farfetched that the rising millennials could come to see marriage as the cornerstone of a stable family.

And then they'll give more people (gays) the right to marry. Thus counteracting the comparatively anti-marriage fundies who want less marriages.

The fact is, in 30 states so far, citizens have voted to write into their constitutions that marriage is the union between one man and one woman.

And? Having the majority behind something doesn't make it right. The majority once supported bans on interracial marriage. Did that make them right? No. And in the end, no matter how long it takes, equality will eventually triumph as it always has. Your only hope of not becoming another in a long line of people remembered only for being on the wrong side of history just like the anti-interracial marriage crowd is to jump to another bigotry train now because this one's reaching the end of the line.

9/4/2012 7:26:27 AM


You might want to consider all the connotations of the word 'perhaps'.

9/4/2012 7:41:22 AM


I don't know what kids you know. But the ones I do are just like all other kids since forever. They like partying and fucking and drinking and having a good time.

9/4/2012 8:20:21 AM


"Perhaps gay marriage is not inevitable?"

You people don't get it. It's not about gay "marriage". You can call it any fucking thing you want. If you want your precious word "marriage" so much, keep it. Shove it up your ass. Nobody cares.

The issue is about the legal rights that "marriage" confers. That's what gay people want and you morons are busy playing semantic games trying to defend a fucking word just to distract everyone from what the issue is really about.

9/4/2012 8:27:17 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

It's inevitable. There are plenty of older people who support gay marriage too.

9/4/2012 8:58:06 AM


This loopy oxygen-sink actually thinks family bonds are IMPROVED by having the kids live at home for longer? Leaving the rest of that steaming pile of idiocy aside, that idea alone is proof that she hasn't a fucking clue what she's on about.

9/4/2012 8:58:55 AM


What color is the sky in your world, dearie? And how does it feel to be one of the most reactionary countries in the Western world?

How would women be placed in combat positions and lose protection from Equal Rights Amendments? You mean like you would no longer be able to mooch off your husband for thirty years and then expect to get half of his fortune in a divorce settlement?

That's right; feminists only speak for women who want to be able to vote, own property, earn their own living and have sovereign rights over their own bodies. You do know that feminists have made most of that possible, and are working to achieve the rest, right?

In Sweden we have somewhat of a world of commitment-free physical relationships, in that many people live together for years and years, and raise children together, without getting married. Abortions are accepted, not as birth-control, but as a last-option to get out of an unwanted or dangerous pregnancy. Most people are pro-choice, and almost non-one practice abstinence until marriage, at least not voluntarily. Gay marriage is a reality. Still, we have no tornadoes, no earth-quakes, no tsunamis or any of the other traditional punishments from God. He must be pleased with us. Or, he does not exist...

As you grow older, you often get a little bit more conservative, in that you remember the good old days (that seldom were as good as we remember them) and changes get a bit harder to cope with. A drastic change is not that common though.

I'm curious; what are the bad consequences of abortion and easy divorce? Fewer children in orphanages and fewer crack-babies born? Fewer women killed by husbands they can't get away from. Yeah, those are bad indeed!

Marriage is also the cornerstone of a stable gay family, dumbass.

9/4/2012 9:10:29 AM

Filin De Blanc

Interracial marriage became legal, gay marriage will be and eventually if we're contacted by sapient aliens interspecies marriage will be too. You didn't win the interracial battle and you won't win these.

9/4/2012 9:17:06 AM

J. James

North Carolina is hardly a bastion of liberalism. I live in California, and at my college you could probably count the opponents of gay marriage on both hands.

9/4/2012 9:39:25 AM


"Perhaps gay marriage is not inevitable?"

- The battle is not always to the strong, nor the race to the swift, but that's the way to bet.

9/4/2012 10:05:20 AM


As a mid-twenties millenial living with her parents by choice, not economic necessity, and looking forward to her upcoming mother-daughter weekend getaway:

I feel my generation doesn't care at all about "family values" since that is a bullshit euphemism invented by the right-wing to stand for "only certain kinds of family should be valued". I feel we do care about families. All families. No exceptions.

9/4/2012 10:12:30 AM

Thinking Allowed

Of course we'll just forget that Proposition 8 in California was declared unconstitutional. Same thing will happen in North Carolina.

9/4/2012 10:37:55 AM


It's not farfetched that the rising millennials could come to see marriage as the cornerstone of a stable family.

Which is exactly why gay marriage is on its way. :D

9/4/2012 11:55:09 AM


@ Mad Jester :

In the 18th century, it wasn't uncommon for boys to stay in the same house with their parents after they got married, and to bring their brides in to live with them.

Of course, these were great big gigantic houses designed to house an extended family, nothing like the single-family units we think of as "houses" today.

9/4/2012 12:50:41 PM


"The fact is young voters often change their political views as they age."

Yes. That's commonly referred to as, "hardening of the arteries." A preventable disease fostered by the standard US fast food diet.

9/4/2012 1:23:56 PM


This person upheld Phyllis Schlafly as a speaker of truth.

That's a sure sign that nothing Penna Dexter says should be taken as honest or sane.

9/4/2012 2:48:52 PM

Old Viking

Nah, it's inevitable.

9/4/2012 4:12:06 PM

Oh My Dog!

Perhaps gay marriage is not inevitable?

You just keep believing that. You, and other bigots, will find out that there will be no place for you and your version of "family values" in modern society.

9/4/2012 6:09:56 PM


I'm sorry, but the moment you ask a majority to vote on a human right, then it becomes self-serving. Rights are not decided by consensus or popular opinion.. they are innate. They aren't earned or a privilege, they are a RIGHT. It sickens me that we think it's just to 'vote' on whether some people deserve the same basic rights as everyone else.

9/4/2012 7:00:14 PM

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