The Leftists HATE this book [The Pink Swastika]. I have been monitoring their “Wikipedia” and “news” stories on Scott Lively for years (Uganda, for instance). They put in articles filled with lies and negative biases, just like when they tried to twist what Dan Cathy actually said. The Left lies—always has and they twist all Truth.
It is the first time I noticed how subversive Wikipedia was-—trying to shape opinions and using BF Skinner technique to discourage people from reading anything by Lively—insinuating that he is ...............(fill in the blank) with anything demeaning and hateful which marginalizes him (Alinsky method) so that people will dismiss his book, which is pure Truth, IMHO—it is so well researched and cross-referenced. I have read other books he references in his book-—He is thorough and truthful.
I also had read “Leftist Revisited:From De Sade and Marx to Hitler and Pol Pot” and understand all Leftist movements-—and their Fascist methodology. That is another book and person the Leftists absolutely go Rabid over...... Leftism is pure evil and can NEVER stand the Truth.
The whole GAME of the Leftist movement is to control ALL the THOUGHTS of the masses-—that is where the PC comes in—concept of Mao’s. They want the minds of your children and if you allow them to feed on the ideas that are posited in public schools, have the BOOKS they recommend read by your darlings-—which glorify evil and collectivism and dependence, and watch the TV which gives children a sick picture of Reality (which will become their worldview), you will get an immoral little Marxist. Lenin knew he needed the children for only 4 years to get converts to his sick, dehumanizing ideology.
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Yawn. Whatever. Left of what, anyway?
(The Pink Swastika is bullshit, as I'm sure you all know. Most of the alleged evidence is actually taken from black propaganda stories put about by the Allies in WW2).
I don't know, susie. It couldn't be because that book is chock-full of bovine excrement, and its author has been shown to be less than truthful on many occasions, could it?
"Leftist. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means..."
I've checked his references--I agree with them, too, therefore they're true.
"I also had read “Leftist Revisited:From De Sade and Marx to Hitler and Pol Pot” and understand all Leftist movements-and their Fascist methodology."
I know all about leftists (and Hitler) and the far right methods they use?
The Leftists HATE this book [The Pink Swastika].
Probably because it's filled with obvious lies.
just like when they tried to twist what Dan Cathy actually said.
People aren't protesting what Dan Cathy said. They're protesting what he does (giving funds to groups that promote the death penalty for gay people in Uganda).
understand all Leftist movements-and their Fascist methodology.
Look up the characteristics of fascist regimes and compare them to the beliefs and actions of the two major political parties in the U.S. One of them fits almost perfectly. I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with "mepublican."
"The whole GAME of the Leftist movement is to control ALL the THOUGHTS of the masses . . ."
While the freeper banhammering of any opinion that is even slightly politically incorrect is totally in line with freedom and liberty.
The Leftists HATE this book [The Pink Swastika].
That's because it's a pack of lies with no redeeming features.
I also had read “Leftist Revisited:From De Sade and Marx to Hitler and Pol Pot” and understand all Leftist movements-and their Fascist methodology.
Another pack of lies. Fascism is on the extreme RIGHT. That has always been the case until a bunch of conservatives decided to rewrite the political spectrum so they could blame everything on the left.
Also, Skinner's discovery of operant conditioning doesn't apply to the media.
Stating facts is not propaganda and denouncing a nutty book is not some kind of communist censorship. I kind of wish fundies DID live in an actual communist government. That way they would shut up once they got back to the US. I swear, some people here are so far removed from any oppression or hardship that they think stubbing their toe is a form of torture. I'm glad that I live in a country where life is that easy but at least I am grateful for it and don't whine like a 2 year old when everything doesn't go my way or compare every inconvenience or differing opinion to Hitler or Stalin. I'd like to see these ungrateful bastards get deported to Saudi Arabia or some other repressive regime just so they can see how good they had it.
Apart from everything else, there is no monolithic entity called "The Left", just a broad spectrum of opinion with certain ideas in common.
SS is using a very broad umbrella and just placing everyone she doesn't like underneath it, including people who would have tried to kill each other if they had met in real life.
I wonder if SS has ever tried to read some actual socialist books? Or does she just prefer to read books about imaginary enemies by reactionaries?
And all this stuff about TV and controlling the thoughts of the masses.. I think you need to be more concerned about what your kids are actually exposed to: Endless advertising and consumerism. I've watched the American networks and there's precious little Marxism on offer, and a whole lot of advertising.
"They put in articles filled with lies and negative biases, just like when they tried to twist what Dan Cathy actually said"
No, they try to put only facts in their articles.
It's always fun to read Susie vomit out paragraphs about Mao, Marx, Barney Frank, The Pink Swastika, gay Nazis, B.F. Skinner, Oliver Wendall Holmes, Pol Pot, Ancient Greece, bacha bazi, the Weimar Republic, etc. etc. It's like mad libs if they were designed by a schizo.
When I read the Wikipedia article, I don't see Lively being criticised. His scholarship, well thats a different matter:
Erik N. Jensen regards the authors' linkage of homosexuality and Nazism as the recurrence of a "pernicious myth", originating in 1930s attacks on Nazism by Socialists and Communists and "long since dispelled" by "serious scholarship".[4] Jensen sees the book as coming about in "the aftermath of an Oregon measure to repeal gay rights".[4] Dorthe Seifert cites it as a response to increasing awareness of Nazi persecution of homosexuals.[5] Christine L. Mueller argues that the historical record does not support Abrams' assertions.[6] Bob Moser, writing for the Southern Poverty Law Center, says the book was promoted by anti-gay groups and that historians agree its premise is "utterly false".[7]
Jonathan Zimmerman, a historian at New York University, wrote the claim that gay people helped bring Nazism to Germany "is a flat-out lie."[8] Zimmerman, points out that "Between 1933 and 1945, the Nazis arrested roughly 100,000 men as homosexuals. Most convicted gays were sent to prison; between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in concentration camps, where they wore pink triangles to signify their supposed crime."[8] He further notes, "To win their release from the camps, some gays were forced to undergo castration. Others were mutilated or murdered in so-called medical experiments by Nazi doctors, who insisted that homosexuality was a disease that could be 'cured'."[8] In addition, "Hitler authorized an edict in 1941 prescribing the death penaltyyes, the death penaltyfor SS and police members found guilty of gay activity."[8]
Susie has been gone for a while.
Judging by the sheer level of crazy in this post, it looks like she's trying to make up for lost time.
Scott Lively is an utter bastard. We hate his book because it is made up twaddle.
"Controlling the thoughts of the masses" sounds like ideology* to me. I hardly think TV glorifies the likes of Marx, Lenin, etc. With TV, half of it is trash, and half of it is advertising trash. It's an entertainment device. If it's being controlled by anyone, it's the capitalists.
I highly doubt that children could be converted to Marxism just from watching My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic or whatever it is. For a start a 4 year old is not fucking mature enough to understand Marxist ideology. It's actually a lot more complicated than OMG COMMIES!!11!
As someone who has actually read some Marx (I know, it's a radical idea to actually read the books of someone you wish to critique) common perceptions of Marx are not always accurate. And dumbing it down to the point where a 4 year old could get it would make it pretty meaningless. I doubt a four year old understands the nuances of the Hegelian dialectic.
Hitler != left wing.
*This definition. :P.
"I highly doubt that children could be converted to Marxism just from watching My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic or whatever it is."
In this episode, Applejack starts a revolt of the proletariat against the Canterlot big businesses!
I'd watch it.
Hey, moronsusie, it's not just the leftists that hate that book. Try talking to any real historians (not the morons who think America was founded on Christian principles). They hate it too because it's complete fabrication.
I don't glorify collectivism any more than I'd glorify objectivism. I'll leave that up to the likes of Sofia Lamb and Andrew Ryan.
Now if you'll excuse me, there are some Spider Splicers over there and I need to get some good video of my drill in their faces.
What is this lying driv- oh, of course; it's Susie.
If you think Hitler and Fascism are left-wing, then you're really, really, really far to the right... Or you're completely deluded and addle-brained.
The whole game of the Leftists movement is "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs", to share both the resources and the hardship with each other.
I don't know who Scott Lively is, and I've never heard about this book before. I bet "the Leftists" rather despise than hate that book, judging from this description of it. It doesn't sound rational enough to deserve hatred.
The problem wasn't what Cathy said; he has every right to say whatever rancorous drivel he wants. But when you donate money to a government that systematically murders gay people, then people are going to take offense, and use their free speech rights to protest, and their consumer power of taking their business elsewhere.
So, because Jane Austen's book Northanger Abbey mentions books by Ann Radcliffe, it must be true?
And here we see Susie's already tenuous grasp on reality slacken entirely, leaving her with nothing but the reassuring sound of her own shrieking babble.
Bulbasaur Argentina for all yesterday's Chinese cabinet, to you too, Susie.
You are correct, I hate it. It's The Protocols of the Elders of Zion with "Jew" deleted and "homosexual" substituted. It's Holocaust denialism/revisionism, 100% lies, and pure fucking evil.
-Ernst Rohm and some other top SA officers were homosexuals.
-Rohm and the SA were purged rather early on.
-Homosexuality was suppressed and criminalized in Nazi Germany.
-The claims that Adolf Hitler was a homosexual seems to be based on nothing more than Allied black propaganda, as someone else pointed out.
I think that is a pretty fair representation of the facts. Lively is basing his work on lies, a few anomalies, and massive omissions and distortions.
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You are correct, I hate it. It's The Protocols of the Elders of Zion with "Jew" deleted and "homosexual" substituted. It's Holocaust denialism/revisionism, 100% lies, and pure fucking evil.
And if you consider that the "Protocols" were just a changed version of an anti-Jesuit propaganda piece with "Jesuit" deleted and "Jew" substituted, that piece of "literature" gets quite around...
Whatever makes it easier for you to kill, eh?
And I'd be more worried about your precious TV-addicted crotch dropping becoming a mindless consumer... but you've got no problem with that, do you?
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