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HIV will never be cured, because the Gov't does'nt want one. They want you gays to die off, and I agree. Schools ARE forced to teach that homosexuality is normal, instead of the mental disease that it really is, thus encouraging them that it's alright.Oh, and by the way, it's not just HIV, but all STDs are almost doubled in the gay community that the normal one."Few percent afraid" should actually read millions that KNOW being gay is'nt normal, right, or natural, and is a death sentence to those who practice the "lifestyle" and and society that allows it.

Robert Bishop, World Net Daily 42 Comments [10/1/2012 6:51:50 AM]
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Felix Wilde

Just plain false. Lesbians - who are part of the gay community - have the lowest rate of HIV and several other STIs.

So the government wants teh gheys to die out, but loooves lesbians? Buttsecks no! Lesbos yea!
Government = insecure straight dude. Got it.

10/1/2012 7:08:59 PM

Sasha

@Anon-e-moose, I only hope that all countries now reporting no cases of smallpox are telling the truth and not lying because they're embarrassed to still have the disease.

As for Robert here, being gay does not automatically mean that you get AIDS. Look at Africa, and weep.

10/1/2012 7:10:06 PM

Doubting Thomas

No, actually it's fundie Christians who don't want AIDS to be cured, because it's a plague from God to all those immoral gays having buttsex.

10/2/2012 6:56:19 AM

Doubting Thomas

Further:

The reason it's taken so long to try to find a cure for HIV is because it's a VIRUS, which science has had a hard time finding a cure for. Mainly because they're alive but not alive, and made of proteins that attack the host body and trick it into replicating the virus. Therefore, there are many different strains and they're constantly evolving.

Your fallacy is assuming that the government is 100% in charge of finding cures for diseases. The first person to find a cure for HIV will be rich.

10/2/2012 9:15:56 AM

Anon

@Sasha:

Smallpox is dead. The disease was impossible to hide, because of the symptoms and how contagious it was. Eradication took as long as it did because it was very hard to get the vaccine to everybody in the Horn Of Africa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Eradication

Smallpox doesn't have an animal reservoir, which made it much easier to eradicate than other diseases (e.g. influenza), once an effective vaccine was available.

10/2/2012 11:03:38 AM

Sasha

@Anon, thanks for taking that worry off my mind.

10/2/2012 11:31:12 AM

Sylvana

From what I know about the HIV virus, its relatively specific attack vector makes it potentially easier for us to develop a cure for than most other viruses. I personally think that the cure for HIV might bring about the breakthrough in medical science that we need to cure all other viral infections. That may just be my wishful thinking though.

Also, HIV is most prevalent amongst heterosexual black women in South Africa, with approximately 1 in 3 pregnant women being infected. (The study looked at incidence rate amongst women and used the pregnancy clinics to help collate the information.)

10/3/2012 12:13:44 AM

anothga

"Oh, and by the way, it's not just HIV, but all STDs are almost doubled in the gay community that the normal one."

[citation needed]

10/3/2012 2:50:30 AM

Anon

@Sylvana:

It isn't that simple. HIV strains are highly variable and mutate easily, which makes it very hard to target with a vaccine. That makes it a lot harder to prevent by vaccination than many other viruses (Measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis, polio, smallpox, etc.).

But vaccination would be a lot easier to implement than getting HAART drugs to everybody who needs them for the next sixty years and educating the world population so that transmission dropped.

10/3/2012 9:30:52 AM

@Anon

@Anon

The high mutability of HIV makes a vaccine almost impossible. However with its very specific attack vector on the T cells of the immune system it opens the door for other possible as yet undiscovered treatments by perhaps using a gene therapy to make the T cells immune or some other solution.

Our Current problem is that despite current treatments essentially clearing the bloodstream of the virus, there are still cells carrying a viral load that the treatment does not deal with. Hence when treatment is stopped those cells burst and release their viral load and the bloodstream becomes full of the virus again.

One proposed strategy is to use the current treatments as is, and focus on finding a way to eliminate the viral reservoirs hidden within the cells. A two pronged attack that should over time clear out a persons system of the virus. It also has potential, if it works to be modified and applied to other viruses.

10/3/2012 11:22:45 PM

Tempus

I'm sure you loved Reagan. After all, his administration managed to delay effective HIV research in the US for years.

10/4/2012 12:15:09 AM

craig

Why the hell do fundies invent and so readily believe conspiricy theorys. Could it be that it helps them believe what ever they want to?

10/4/2012 6:13:13 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Anon

Thus scientists have the power of life and death over a species of virus. After what it's done to humanity in the past (and it's not exactly Lactobacillus casei Shirota), can Smallpox really justify it's existence, nay, it's right to exist? To kill, or not to kill...?

And considering the antiretrovirals that can arrest the onset of HIV for those infected (and diagnosed early enough), then nothing's impossible, re. AIDS itself. Gene research advances on...

10/4/2012 7:39:59 AM

motobreath

@anon
Also, I understand it is not a cure, or even repeatable, but it did seem to be a step towards understanding the process a cure may use.

10/4/2012 1:13:17 PM

Anon

@motobreath:

The problem with that idea is that the CCR5-delta-32 mutation only confers resistance to some HIV strains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5#CCR5-.CE.9432). Those strains happen to be the most common right now, but if transmission remains as high as it is, then deploying a treatment based around CCR5-delta-32 would only be a temporary solution - the other strains of HIV would come to dominate population.

Basically, there is no single trick to killing HIV completely in the near-term. In addition to HAART (to keep current patients alive) and any further medical breakthroughs, transmission has to be brought down.

And given the difficulty of making an effective vaccine, bringing transmission down is a social problem, of getting people to get tested and to avoid infecting others. This is particularly important in Southern and Eastern Africa, where unsafe blood transfusions, dirty needles, women being sexually exploited, and poor sex ed are disturbingly common. For the last, witness the AIDS denialist policies of the Mbeki government in South Africa and the total lack of knowledge of the disease exhibited by Jacob Zuma, the current South African president.

10/4/2012 1:57:09 PM

TheReasonator

Right because the US government is the only government in the world and has the power to single-handedly prevent there from being enough research into curing AIDS.

10/5/2012 9:47:19 AM

GigaGuess

HIV will never be cured, because the Gov't does'nt want one.
Really. Because I seem to recall hearing about a vaccination nearing human trials.

Whoops?

They want you gays to die off, and I agree.
Yup. Death to you because you're different. Death to you because I don't agree with you. Death to you because I don't understand you. That's the civilized way. I'm sure Jesus would approve.

Schools ARE forced to teach that homosexuality is normal, instead of the mental disease that it really is, thus encouraging them that it's alright.
First, it's not a mental disorder. It got declassified as one because it is not harmful to the "afflicted" nor does it impede their...our...ability to live a long, happy life, asshats like you notwithstanding. And it doesn't encourage kids to be gay anymore than teaching them that women are people too makes them want to grow a vagina.

Oh, and by the way, it's not just HIV, but all STDs are almost doubled in the gay community that the normal one.
Really? I'm pretty sure it's a minor increase, and that's more because anal sex does facilitate pathogen transmission, and nothing more. Not to mention that lesbians experience a fraction of STDs that any male involved sex has, and guess what? It's because there is far less fluid transfer between the partners. So your God chooses an inefficient means of transmitting his righteous fury, missing HALF of the people he's allegedly opposed to. And you know what? Condoms mitigate that risk, almost entirely. Hear that? Your God's wrath is trumped by a sheet of latex.

"Few percent afraid" should actually read millions that KNOW being gay is'nt normal, right, or natural, and is a death sentence to those who practice the "lifestyle" and and society that allows it.
Guess what? You're gonna die too. As is every straight person either of us knows. Some sooner, some later. Several will outlive you, some will not. This is true of gays or straights. Deal.

10/5/2012 12:53:39 PM
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