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anything that has not been OBSERVED by reliable humans is theory

black holes are theory

so are Unicorns (more people can claim to have seen a unicorn than a black hole)
Flying saucers
The Yeti
Bog men from venus etc


Never trust a man whose bread and butter is a theory
its not in his best interest to disprove it

Sollvax, Star Trek Online Forum 42 Comments [9/10/2012 11:10:33 AM]
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anevilmeme

Black holes have been detected by observing their gravitational effects on stars around them as has the accretion disks of matter falling into black holes.

Your argument is like arguing that dinosaurs never existed because no one has ever seen live one.

9/10/2012 11:16:32 AM

Dr. Razark

Good thing we've directly observed evolution at work, then.

By the way, we've seen the effects of gravity, but we've never directly observed gravity. We should discount gravity, then?

9/10/2012 11:21:26 AM



No one's actually seen an electron, so by your standards electricity is just a theory and must not exist.

Why don't you demonstrate your reasoning to us by taking a fork and sticking into a wall socket?

9/10/2012 11:32:36 AM

LAchlan

A theory is something which is proposed as a possible explanation for observable phenomena. You can't just say "What about inside out dogs?" and have a theory on your hands. Someone should punch you in the face.

9/10/2012 11:37:47 AM

mucat

This person clearly misunderstands what the word "theory" means -- and that same misunderstanding is often exploited by creationists -- but there's nothing fundamentalist about this particular quote.

(He/she also signs off with "Live long and prosper," which is not a common fundie phrase.)

I think this one belongs in PWDUSSTDTICAEWFCT (People Who Don't Understand Science Say the Darnedest Things, Inadvertently Creating an Environment Where Fundies Can Thrive.)


9/10/2012 11:45:08 AM

Swede

Layman's theory = scientific idea (at most).
Scientific theory = layman's fact/truth.

It is in every scientist's best interest to disprove everyone else's theory, stupid. Every single one of them wants to be the one who formulates a new theory that will rule out the old ones.

9/10/2012 11:48:23 AM

Mister Spak

Black holes are fact.
Unicorns are a myth.
so are Flying saucers
The Yeti
Bog men from venus
Noahs ark
angels
Jesus face on toast
Paluxy mantracks

Never trust a man whose bread and butter is a myth. its not in his best interest to disprove it


9/10/2012 12:10:46 PM

Xotan

The yeti?

Not the Yeti! I can confirm the Yeti exists. Quite a few of them in this part of France. My personal one is very handy for getting places. Can move at a good speed and has great stamina. Cruise control too.

Yayyy for the Yeti!

9/10/2012 1:05:46 PM

Leighton Buzzard

I thought the whole point of a black hole was that you can't see it .... mind you, there seems to be a void in your head, Solly.

9/10/2012 1:25:35 PM

Madbull.

[(more people can claim to have seen a unicorn than a black hole)]


What's that really popular show right now? Started in 2010, just finished it's second season a few months ago, had John De Lancie (Q) as a V.A. for one of the villains...

9/10/2012 1:26:46 PM

Madbull.

[(more people can claim to have seen a unicorn than a black hole)]


What's that really popular show right now? Started in 2010, just finished it's second season a few months ago, had John De Lancie (Q) as a V.A. for one of the villains...

9/10/2012 1:27:25 PM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

Supersport, is that you?

9/10/2012 1:27:27 PM

Old Viking

There are a bunch of Yetis playing in the NFL. Try to stay alert!

9/10/2012 2:03:11 PM

John

Never trust a man whose bread and butter is a theory
its not in his best interest to disprove it

But it is in the best interest of everyone else to disprove it, which is why scientists are always checking each other and are perfectly happy to tell the world that their competitors are full of it. That was all done a hundred years ago with Darwin, when there were still people who thought they could prove him wrong. They didn't, and one by one they gave up. The only ones left are cranks with a religious agenda.

9/10/2012 2:05:09 PM

Ebon

black holes are theory

Yes, true but they are a theory with a great deal of accumulated evidence in their favour. The word "theory" doesn't mean "wild-ass guess".

9/10/2012 2:40:12 PM

farpadokly

But there's a thing called EVIDENCE.
Black holes have more evidence than unicorns, and the other examples.
Therefore, they're not in the same category.

9/10/2012 3:35:29 PM

Alencon

Dear Sollvax,

Ever hear of mathematics? Mathematics allows us to determine the existence of things we can't "observe" at both the cosmic and quantum levels.

9/10/2012 5:52:13 PM

Papabear

Not true, bonehead. Observation of effects and relics can be credible evidence. Black hole have both high quality theory and observation of their effects to back up the claims of their existence. Neither is true for alien flying saucers, yeti or bog men from Venus.

Never trust a man whose world view depends upon believing in unproven and/or ridiculous ancient fairy tales.

9/10/2012 6:11:40 PM

Jordab the Folf

Reliable humans? Only liars and idiots by your definition, then?

9/10/2012 6:49:44 PM

the_ignored

That (along with total lack of evidence) is why we don't trust creationists, or preachers for that matter.

As for scientists, if they found evidence shooting down evolution, or black holes, etc. they'd get rich and famous right quick.

9/10/2012 8:16:05 PM

Apatheist

Since light can't escape it, you can't "see" a black hole. You can observe it's effects though.

9/10/2012 8:49:32 PM

The Anonymous

No, black holes weren't made up by some Star Trek writer, they're actually real.

9/10/2012 9:01:29 PM

Percy Q. Shunn

Wow, what a convincing argument! Thanks for the enlightenment.

9/10/2012 9:49:19 PM

SpukiKitty

Well, that was...odd.

9/10/2012 9:52:14 PM

michael3ov

You fail so miserably at the philosophy of science.

9/11/2012 4:13:54 AM
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