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Vaccine advocates – although propagandists would be a more accurate term – often correctly claim that there is no scientific evidence proving that vaccines have ever killed anyone or caused autism. Therefore, they claim vaccines can be considered the cause of nothing but a cure for cancer, an end to war and the elimination of all human disease except that caused by dirty, unvaccinated children who are homeschooled by religious bigots. To even consider the mere possibility of questioning the intrinsic and perfect goodness of vaccines, any vaccine given for any reason, is to be not only anti-science, but personally responsible for murdering anyone who died of a disease that would have been prevented by vaccination.

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The reason that the vaccine propagandist claim is correct is because there is also no scientific evidence that vaccines have not killed anyone or caused autism, because there is absolutely no valid scientific evidence on the matter. Most of the “science” in the studies that are widely cited by those who insist that vaccines are safe are simply statistical reviews, which involve as much use of actual science as polling former Playboy models. In the very few cases where an actual scientific experiment has been performed, the populations compared have not been between a vaccinated group and an unvaccinated control group, but rather two different groups that are both vaccinated to varying degrees.

The vaccine propagandists defend the failure of scientists to gather scientific evidence by begging the question. They insist that it would be unethical to permit a control group of children to go without vaccination, due to their assumption that the risks of vaccination are significantly outweighed by the dangers of the diseases vaccinated against. Thus, they perpetuate ignorance on the actual safety or danger of the current U.S. vaccine schedule.

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Now, it is true that VAERS is not an entirely reliable system. It is estimated that between 90 percent and 99 percent of all vaccine-related events go unreported. Because we are looking at such a small snapshot of the total number of events, it is possible that the statistically obvious death spike would disappear with a more reliable reporting system. However, there is an additional clue, because there is an additional statistical death spike that just happens to take place among children of precisely the same age, between two and four months.

That is deaths by Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, which is simply the medical term for “the baby died and no one knows why.” SIDS deaths have been reduced over the years by the sleeping position campaign – put them on their back, not their stomach – and by improved reporting that has increasingly identified asphyxiation deaths. But the problem persists, as does the mysterious SIDS death spike that just happens to take place at precisely the same age as the VAERS death spike and the vaccine spike in the U.S. vaccine schedule. Are these three statistical spikes necessarily related? No, but there is more than enough statistical correlation to indicate that some degree of causation is involved.

Vox Day, World Net Daily 14 Comments [9/10/2012 11:16:06 AM]
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Leighton Buzzard

I might have known this fuckwit would be an anti-vaxxer as well.

9/10/2012 1:29:57 PM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

*facepalm*

No, vaccines do not cause autism, nor do they cause SIDS. You are a vacuous loon who masquerades his every thought with the language of science. Basically, your ravings are like the "theory" of Intelligent Design: irrational superstition that is made to look like science, but in no way resembles it in practice.

9/10/2012 1:32:28 PM

Leighton Buzzard

Just realised, this makes Pox a walking trifecta. A GOP seat in Congress is his for the asking.

9/10/2012 1:36:35 PM

Ebon

Vox is just another idiot with a vocabulary.

9/10/2012 2:46:01 PM

Stonespiral

Last I heard, SIDs *might* have more to do with a predisposition against proper nerve development between the spine and the brain. Having too few connections seems to cause various automated bodily functions, usually breathing, to stop without warning. And while sleep position does seem to help, some babies will die regardless. SIDs has been around as long as humans have been giving birth. Did you just disregard the numbers of SIDs that happen *before* the first booster shot? They didn't fit your model so you ignored them?

Idiot.

We do know what the risks for vaccination are, they are well documented and looked for. Vaccines save lives. End of story.

9/11/2012 3:55:46 AM

Doubting Thomas

We've wiped out many infectious diseases by using vaccines. When's the last time you knew someone suffering from polio?

You fail.

9/11/2012 7:08:29 AM

fishtank

A fucking army of straw men.

9/11/2012 9:26:42 AM

JB Mason

Enjoy your polio, shitstick.

9/11/2012 11:41:38 AM

JB Mason

Let's suppose for a moment, vaccines do occasionally cause health problems, or even death... Penn and Teller break it down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo

9/11/2012 11:42:42 AM

Man Called True

VAERS is a complete load of bollocks. Look up the "Hulk vaccine report" and "Wonder Woman vaccine report". There's no screening of reports at all - literally everything is allowed into it.

If the source weren't reason enough to distrust anything being said here, that would destroy the rest of his credibility.

9/21/2012 3:30:39 PM

LJ

CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION LET ALONE PROVE IT YOU STUPID CUNT DO YOU NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND BASIC SCIENCE!?!

*straightens jacket* I hate people who talk about science when they clearly don't even understand basic research methods.
And, on that note, I was vaccinated as a kid, and I don't have autism. I wouldn't usually use anecdotal evidence, but how the fuck do these fundies explain that?
SIDS were more common before the creation of vaccine, so if correlation could imply anything (which, as my A-level psych teacher liked to remind us, it doesn't) it would be that vaccination stops SIDS.
Autism has been around since the beginning of time, we just have the means to diagnose it now, and there is no evidence of even a correlation between vaccination and incidence of Autism in the developed world, let alone causation.

VD, you fail both science and statistics. In fact, you just fail life.

1/12/2013 7:10:20 AM



Vaccines are the reason you and I exist, no matter how much you insist.

2/17/2013 5:00:37 AM



However, you are unable to give any evidence except, "it is right because I say so". What if everybody did the same?

6/12/2013 9:22:20 AM



There are not "people vaccinated to a varying degree". Vaccine consists on injected a sample of the virus, in conditions that don´t enable the microorganism to develop a serious illness(but not always, hence some problems emerging with vaccination)in order to prepare the inmunological system to react against it in the future.
Second, the evidence is that illnesses DOCUMENTED IN THE PAST like Polio, smallpox and tetanus, who used to be mortal, are not anymore except in three countries, Nigeria, Pakistan and Afghanistan. What do they have in common?. Guess what, THEY ARE AGAINST VACCINATION.

8/6/2013 5:18:07 AM
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