Quote# 89501

Maybe it is time to deport, not the illegals with faith in God, but every Illegal and American without faith in God. Without God there is no foundation for our liberties or freedoms. Buy them up and give them a ticket to anywhere, but here.

Ronald Stotland, The Federalist Papers 50 Comments [9/12/2012 1:36:17 PM]
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Land of the Free. (Terms and conditions apply, which are subject to change without notice.)

Why must you insist on undermining your own creditability in such brutal fashion? Weren't the pilgrims running away from exactly that attitude? Until the second batch decided to bring it with them at least. And then your deist founding fathers rebuked it again.

9/12/2012 1:40:42 PM


Without God there is no foundation for our liberties or freedoms.

Most "Godly" principles could just as easily come from people wanting to maximize the happiness and success of the population as a whole, with no divine presence needed. This really does suggest someone who clings to religion out of a pathological need for a source of authority, one who fears that without a monarch handing down precedents we'd all descend into anarchy. With enough people working for the betterment of society, we won't.

9/12/2012 1:41:10 PM


But they are obviously for freedom and liberty, that is why they want to deport citizens who don't agree with them..

9/12/2012 1:41:13 PM


Liberties and freedoms? Oh, you mean like those granted by the FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION?


9/12/2012 1:47:46 PM

Jordab the Folf

Oh, god, not this no religion=no morals shit again.

9/12/2012 1:54:44 PM

Jack Bauer

Dang! I just got here and it's time to go?

(Jack's back!)

9/12/2012 2:00:21 PM


Maybe it's time you stopped trying to push your religon on people.

9/12/2012 2:14:54 PM


So, in short, you are saying that nonbelievers are not really Americans, our citizenship should be revoked and that we are of less than zero value? Thanks, I like you too.

Many of the founders of this country were deists, agnostics and atheists... you know, Ronny, NOT CHRISTIANS. Of those who were Christians, most if not all were not your deep-end of the pool Fundie types.

That you can't find any foundation for liberty and/or freedom without faith in your ancient fairy tales is your problem. Leave the mote in my eye alone and take care of the timber in yours.

9/12/2012 2:33:21 PM

Mister Spak

Maybe it is time to deport fundies who think god should be in charge of the country. Here we have a constitution with article six and amendment one. Without the constitution there is no foundation for our liberties or freedoms. Buy the fundies a ticket to Saudi Arabia or Iran, where god is in charge.

9/12/2012 2:33:54 PM

Oh My Dog!

I know you guys don't like atheists, but what about the opposite? What about polytheists?

If one god is good then several must be better, right?

Heathens, Pagans, and what not must be the cat's meow with you guys. Right?

Or is it more like the only people allowed to stay would be those who believe in your church's version of God? An awful lot of Christians would get the boot then, and you would end up with a very sparsely populated nation. And what about the Muslims and Jews? They don't exactly agree with you either.

What about Deists, would you kick them out too? Would you kick out the Founding Fathers if they were here today?

You should probably rethink this.

And finally, Treaty of Tripoli.

9/12/2012 2:39:29 PM


Bite me up my First Amendment ass.

9/12/2012 2:41:06 PM


Read your constitution, and try not to show how stupid you are.

9/12/2012 2:43:51 PM



Or never actually never read the Costitution or Bill of Rights?

9/12/2012 3:16:38 PM


So, this country will not be free until everyone is forced to adhere to the same religious beliefs that you do.

The doublethink is strong with this one.

9/12/2012 3:16:52 PM


On Guadalcanal in 1942, the Japanese outside the U.S. perimeter chanted "American Marine be dead tomorrow." According to William Manchester, they got this reply: "Come on in, you fuckers, and we'll see who dies." Take a lesson, Ronnie-boy.

9/12/2012 3:53:39 PM

J. James

The constitution has more than a little to say about religious liberty. And the death sentence of traitors.

9/12/2012 4:11:34 PM


What does God have to do with the foundation of freedom? Do you have freedom of religion under God? Of course not, it's a sin to worship anything else but God, or to not worship at all. Do you have freedom of speech under God? Nope, criticizing God and the church is called blasphemy, and it's a sin. Do the convicted have any rights under God, such as haebeus corpus or trial by jury of peers? Nope.
Freedom of the press? Nope.
Freedom of art and expression? Nope.
Reproductive liberty? Nope.

You have no freedom under God. Under God, the word for freedom is sin.

9/12/2012 4:18:15 PM


I'd like a ticket to Germany, Denmark, or Sweden, please. Oh, and we'll be taking the small business and kids in STEM classes with us.

9/12/2012 4:22:16 PM


At the rate the Republican party is moving to the right, I might just take you up on that.

9/12/2012 4:24:28 PM

Deport yourself to Saudi Arabia!

9/12/2012 4:29:11 PM


@nazani14: East Germany has a lot of empty homes, tech companies, growing major cities and a strong socialist party. I think I speak for the people there when I say all American liberals and progressives would be welcome (* except by around 5% of the youth population who have turned to Neonazism -- might wanna avoid an accent with those)!

9/12/2012 4:47:39 PM


We're free to think like you and only like you, I see.

9/12/2012 5:23:06 PM


Hey, you wanna give me a ticket to Japan, and the means to survive at least my first year, go right ahead. It'd get me away from you.

9/12/2012 5:38:05 PM


Make my ticket to Sweden, please.

9/12/2012 5:44:17 PM

Felix Wilde

@Zagen: With enough people working for the betterment of society, we will acheive anarchy* soon enough. The state is costly, unproductive and oppressive. Like fundamentalism, and eventually religion, it will one day be cast aside and left to rot by the wayside of human progress.

It's only idiots with an authoritarianism fetish who stop anarchy being practical. If everyone was willing to take responsibility for their actions - as these authoritarian-right fundies always wail we should - the government would have no role to play in the social sphere and we could all get along without persecution of minorities being enshrined in law.

Without God there is no foundation for liberty? I guess liberal democrats, libertarians, left communists, anarchists and other libertarian socialists all come from deeply religious philosophical backgrounds then, as these are the political philosophies which hold liberty as the most important principle.

9/12/2012 5:49:14 PM

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