Quote# 89546

Not that it’s not a good idea to give students loans, it certainly is a good idea to give them loans. But if you can ignore the Constitution to do something good today, tomorrow you will be ignoring the Constitution to do something bad. You could. There are more people in our, in America today of German ancestry than any other [inaudible]. The Holocaust that occurred in Germany — how in the heck could that happen? And when you start down the wrong road, it can be a very slippery slope.

Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD), Think Progress 58 Comments [9/14/2012 3:34:49 AM]
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So the Constitution (peace be upon it) is the new God, the new all-wise giver of morals!

Gentlemen, we have discovered the Constitution Fundy!

9/14/2012 3:54:16 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Which bit of the US Constitution forbids student loans?

9/14/2012 4:17:54 AM

rubber chicken

Godwin straight out of the gate.

9/14/2012 4:18:08 AM


As Leighton Buzzard asks, so ask I: which part of the constitution forbids student loans.

I don't believe a constitution could be so specific. It is composed, perforce, of broad principles.

Nor do I see any connection between student loans and the holocaust.

Something wrong here. A lack of joined-up thinking.

9/14/2012 4:37:09 AM

Filin De Blanc

Student loans will lead to all people of German ancestry teaming up to turn America into a Nazi state? Seriously?

9/14/2012 4:38:49 AM

Doubting Thomas

WTF- Oh wait, it's a politician. A Republican politician.

I'd like to know exactly where in the Constitution does it say that students shouldn't be given loans? Did they pass a new amendment recently? And how does giving students loans equate with the Holocaust?

I guess Republicans think that the only way anyone should go to college is on daddy's money.

9/14/2012 4:59:30 AM


Constitutions are emphatically meant to be Fundamental Law. If he were to be a 'Constitution Fundy', there would be nothing wrong with that.
Not a Godwin, there's no mention of the words 'Hitler' nor 'Nazi', and no invalid comparison.
"How in the heck could that happen?" is a fair question to trouble every human being.
His claim is that the tenth Amendment forbids student loans: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
His argument continues: "Given that the power to grant student loans is not delegated by the Constitution, the Federal Government does not legally have that power."
Whether he's right or whether he's wrong is a separate matter; this is not bizarre, bigoted irrational Fundamentalism.

9/14/2012 5:03:33 AM


Everything that might enable poor people to leave their station in life is of the devil, because Gahd *wanted* them to be poor.

9/14/2012 5:30:25 AM

Mister Spak

" tomorrow you will be ignoring the Constitution to do something bad. "

You're a little late for that, see the Bush anti-constitution act, passed in 2001.

9/14/2012 5:31:15 AM


So...today you give a student a loan so they may better educate themselves, tomorrow they will be gassing some minority or another.

That's not a slippery slope, it's a sheer cliff.

9/14/2012 6:05:57 AM

Oh My Dog!

Yes, I agree, ignoring the Constitution to do something good could set a precedent for ignoring it to do something bad.

I don't quite follow how getting student loans would be unconstitutional, but whatever...


Some German ancestry here, however I haven't felt any sudden urges to go goosestepping down the street or to start tossing people into ovens.
Must be enough Danish, Norwegian, and Irish ancestry keeping that in check.

This is not a slippery slope argument; this is base jumping without a parachute.

9/14/2012 6:11:51 AM

This is pretty hyperbolic, but I can see his point. If you want to change the constitution to give the government extra power then you should do it properly, otherwise it's pointless.

9/14/2012 6:50:51 AM


I honestly found the reaction of liberal blogs to this more hilarious than the what this fucktard actually said. Expecially the outrage of reading this as an ethnic slur against Germans.

I am an actual German btw, born to Germans, bred in Germany, schooled in Germany and currently lving in Germany - and believe me when Orthodox Jews equate me to Hitler just because I speak the same mother tongue, I'm offended - but the foe outrage of some is just silly.

And, just as a sidebar, the Holocaust happend under German rule, but not completely on German territory (even with pre-WW2 borders).

9/14/2012 6:54:27 AM

@Leighton Buzzard

The constitution says what the government CAN do; not what it cannot. The USA's constitution forbids the Federal Government from doing anything which isn't in Article 1 Section 8. The state governments can do pretty much anything that isn't forbidden in Article 1 Section 9 or by the Bill of Rights.

9/14/2012 6:54:42 AM


Bartlett should try being sober before opening his mouth.

9/14/2012 6:56:00 AM


Apparently, people in America aren't allowed to do anything that twisted logic could vaguely suggest that the constitution opposes. The constitution was written a long time ago. I do not understand this obsession with treating it like it is the be-all and end-all of modern life in the US. Here's a thought. Ignore the constitution when it's wrong, or pass an amendment. Follow the constitution (or better still, some sort of moral compass) when it's right. This is supposing that the constitution actually could be supposed to make any judgement on the giving of student loans, which seems far-fetched even for fundies.

9/14/2012 6:56:51 AM


"RSTDTs - The Nationality-Hating Edition!"

Most Germans, be they American or from "The Old Country" LOATHE NAZIS! Heck, in Germany, the Nazi swastika is censored or outright banned!

What's with these weirdos getting bigoted against Germans, lately? It's certainly a new, novel kind of bigotry.

@ Xotan
I think what Rep. Roscoe, here is saying is that:
1.) Student loans are against the Constitution, somehow (BALONEY!).
2.) Ignoring this bogus info will lead to a slippery slope of ignoring other stuff from the Constitution.
3.) Therefore, if the Constitution can be ignored, then we will simply slip into Nazi Germany-type conditions. This would be made easier by the existence of a large demographic of Americans of German ancestry & German immigrants, cuz Germans apparently have some weird Nazi gene or something.

It's all incredibly stupid.

Of course, Roscoe & his ilk ignore the Constitution all the time and hardly notice or care.

9/14/2012 7:14:57 AM


There you have it. Student loans can lead to the Holocaust. Biggest non-sequitur frightfully from someone who slithered his way into public office.

9/14/2012 7:23:04 AM


There are more people in our, in America today of German ancestry than any other [inaudible]. The Holocaust that occurred in Germany

So therefore most Americans are Nazis that want death camps? It's an incredibly stupid assertion but it's the only one that can possibly be gathered from this curious segue. I'm of Italian ancestry. Does that mean I'm going to start a new Renaissance?

9/14/2012 7:35:31 AM


Student loans aren't against the Constitution.


If the government could just ignore the Constitution when it's wrong then it could do that for anything in the Constitution. Protesters inconvenient during a war, they'd ignore the first amendment.
There's a process for "if the Constitution is wrong", it's called amending the Constitution.

9/14/2012 7:38:11 AM

Thinking Allowed

Um...Is this guy reading the same Constitution I'm reading?

9/14/2012 7:38:40 AM

J. James

Student loans to ensure a bright future for our children = Nazi genocide of millions of innocent people.


9/14/2012 7:50:12 AM


SpukiKitty: The Nazi swastika ("Hakenkreuz") is banned for propaganda and historically inaccurate material (video games for example), but very spefically allowed for historic content (documentaries, pictures, paintings, fictional content in TV, movies and books). Were exactly it is allowed and were not is a case to case decision, because the law itself isn't so clear. The Hindu swastika ("Swastika") is allowed.

The American right was all gully with Germany since Merkel ran the austerity rout in the Debt Crisis, probably thinking Germany might turn conservative, but since every German on the internet has been telling them that we won't abandon our welfare state and they should go to hell, we've become the evil Nazis again.

9/14/2012 8:12:54 AM


Is he suggesting that because the Constitution doesn't give Congress the specific power to buy pencils or provide electricity and telephone service to the White House that appropriations for those purposes are unconstitutional? First of all, the government doesn't give student loans; it co-signs them. Secondly, the power to do so is granted in the first sentence of the Constitution, which creates the power to "promote the general welfare".

Basically, the government has the power to spend money on almost anything the representatives believe is good for the country. If you disagree, elect different representatives.

9/14/2012 8:47:25 AM



Thanks for clearing that up.

9/14/2012 8:51:29 AM

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