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The sinister nature of the Arab people is not some fluke or genetic defect. The Bible warns that their nature is because they are children of Ishmael. When Abraham sinned against God by having a child with his slave Hagar, he set into motion a conflict that will eventually lead to world War III.

Todd Strandberg, rapture ready 51 Comments [9/18/2012 5:24:13 AM]
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rwee

so is the owner of rapture ready now a racist..

9/14/2012 3:12:06 PM

Mister Spak

Jacob sold his birthright to Easau for a mess of pottage so arabs are the chosen people of God. Crying and whining about the so called genetic defect won't change that.

9/18/2012 5:33:21 AM

Filin De Blanc

This is literally exactly what Christians said to justify slavery except with Arab substituted for black and children of Ishmael substituted for the curse of Ham. I suppose you'll be proposing separate drinking fountains for Arabs next?

9/18/2012 5:37:13 AM

A Buddhist

So...what about Arab Christians?

9/18/2012 5:38:23 AM

Frostythesnowman

Do you people life in perpetual fear of everything mentioned in the bible?

What's the next threat to civilisation? A stampede of unicorns? For fuck's sake grow up.

9/18/2012 5:57:37 AM



I'm an Arab-American, and it feels kind of BA the way these people fear me for no reason.

Me: "Hey, do you have a quarter I could borrow?"

Them: "TAKE WHAT YOU WANT! JUST DON'T HURT ME!"

Except when they're working airport security - then it sucks.

9/18/2012 6:08:41 AM

TheLastCenturion

oh i see. ishmaels child, (who was born, lived, and died before the year 0[if existed at all]) grew up to live in isolationfor over a milenia until somewhere around the 1400's AD where he then became the prophet muhammed and started preaching a new religion.

yup. no flaws in that logic. none at all. not a single one.

9/18/2012 6:16:42 AM

Doubting Thomas

All right, is there some way to make stupid fundies stop using "The bible says..." when making the most stupid and ridiculous arguments? Not that I mind that they're making their bible look totally ridiculous, but they seem to think that their argument is 100% valid and incontrovertible if they just claim that the bible says so.

9/18/2012 7:05:59 AM

pete

Or maybe, just maybe, "Arabs" are just sick and tired of being invaded and occupied by European Christians and Jews for over 1,000 years?

BTW. I thought the Raptards were eagerly awaiting WWIII. If WWIII never happens they will miss out on the opportunity to spend eternity kneeling at the feet of Jebus.

9/18/2012 7:12:30 AM

anevilmeme

Welcome to another edition of my imaginary friend can beat up your imaginary friend.

9/18/2012 7:17:19 AM

Papabear

Ha! Rapture Retards talking about genetic defects in others.

9/18/2012 7:38:26 AM

breakerslion

Wait a minute! Abraham had buttseks with a cartoon Viking? Oh well, that makes about as much sense anything else in the Bible.

9/18/2012 7:43:47 AM

Mudak

Am I the only one who sees this as arguably the greatest non-sequitur, like, ever?

How in the world could a single event from a book of myths -- even if we're charitable and assume it actually happened -- lead to World War III five millennia later?

9/18/2012 7:48:39 AM

JohnTheAtheist

So the sin was having a child with his slave, not having the slave in the first place? Misplaced morality if I ever saw it.

9/18/2012 7:58:05 AM

John_in_Oz

I clearly remember the bit in the Bible that mentions World Wars.
It comes right after the bit that says ".. and lo, there shall come a whole pack of lying douche-bags, specifically including Todd Strandberg, who shall utter all manner of evil while trying to attibute it to Me."

9/18/2012 8:36:13 AM

Pule Thamex

Clearly, all right-minded people when considering the wisdom of Bible God, the great Sky Captain Himself, must see that the perfidy of the sinister Arab people, as described in His Holy Flying Manual, is perfectly true. And we know that Abraham's sinning will lead to World War III, er...soon ...any day now.

9/18/2012 8:49:09 AM

Arctic Knight

So what you are saying is that the conflict in the Middle East is all about genetics? That would mean that god made them that way genetically and that god is ultimately the bastard responsible for all those deaths. What a sadistic, murderous god you worship.

9/18/2012 8:52:10 AM

Canuovea

Except that wasn't considered a sin. In fact, it was practically encouraged. God didn't mind, and at the time Sarah was all for it! She only changed her mind once she had a child.

9/18/2012 8:57:11 AM

Xotan

Where in the Bible does it say sat Abraham sinned by have sexual relations with Hagar?

I think you are making up your on version of the Bible. Mind, you wouldn't be the first to do that.

Polygamy is OK in the OT.

9/18/2012 8:58:39 AM

D Laurier

The "sinister nature" of the arab people, is their being in the way of my SUV when I drive to the corner store to buy pop and chips.
AKA "Those brown people want me to pay for oil!"

9/18/2012 9:13:44 AM

Boadicea

Mister Spak: Actually, Esau sold his birthright to Jacob for a mess of pottage. Jacob then married first Leah, and then Leah's sister, Rachel. Then he had a bunch of kids, first with Leah, then with Rachel's handmaid since she was barren, then with Leah's handmaid since Leah wasn't about to be outdone by her sister, and then finally Rachel got pregnant and had first Joseph, then died bearing Benjamin.

The last we hear of Esau, he's living the good life as Edom, having reconciled with his brother Jacob, and doing a bunch of begatting.

Regarding Ishmael as a "sin" against God, I think Mr. Strandberg needs to re-read his Bible.

Genesis 16:1-16 ESV
"Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. She had a female Egyptian servant whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said to Abram, “Behold now, the Lord has prevented me from bearing children. Go in to my servant; it may be that I shall obtain children by her.” And Abram listened to the voice of Sarai. So, after Abram had lived ten years in the land of Canaan, Sarai, Abram's wife, took Hagar the Egyptian, her servant, and gave her to Abram her husband as a wife. And he went in to Hagar, and she conceived. And when she saw that she had conceived, she looked with contempt on her mistress. And Sarai said to Abram, “May the wrong done to me be on you! I gave my servant to your embrace, and when she saw that she had conceived, she looked on me with contempt. May the Lord judge between you and me!” ..."

It looks to me that the "sin" was that Hagar got uppity because she got pregnant and Sarai (Sarah's name before she got knocked up with Isaac) couldn't. Sarai was the first wife and didn't have to put up with that BS. So Abram, to keep peace in his house, dumped Hagar and her kid.

And that's a straightforward reading! No "well, it really means this" interpretation needed!



9/18/2012 10:00:08 AM

rubber chicken

Arabs are left-handed ? really ?

9/18/2012 10:12:00 AM

smartz

Arab != Muslim. Learn the difference, it may save your life. Arabs also include Jews, you ignorant fuck.

9/18/2012 10:35:01 AM

freako104

Racist. And what of Arab Christians you damb bigot? Also aren't you guys in favour of war?

9/18/2012 10:38:38 AM

LAchlan

The bible was written by people who didn't like Arabs. Here's an idea, we're all just people. All the same, despite our differences, is that not what Christianity is meant to be about? Now stop being a cunt and go and be nice to someone.

9/18/2012 10:41:12 AM
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